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Playing AQ from the SB in 3b pot Playing AQ from the SB in 3b pot

03-01-2018 , 12:39 PM
Hand was played last night at local casino. Not necessarily a crazy interesting hand but just wondering how everyone else would have played it.

Table: Typical 1-2 Wednesday night game, lots of limping, limp calling, etc..

Villain is in the cutoff with roughly 250$. Older guy but not necessarily your typical older nit. playing a decent amount of hands.

Hero is in the SB with 275$.

OTTH: Couple limps before Villain opens to $8. Button calls. Hero makes it 28$ from SB with AQ. Villain and Button both call.

(should 3b be bigger? 35ish$? I 3b bc i knew the 2 other limpers and BB would call the 8$ and i didn't want to play it 6 ways.)

Flop comes: K35 and Hero decides to check (should I Cbet because i block some of the K combos?) Flop checks through.

Turn: 2 Hero leads for 40$. and Villain in CU calls and button folds.

River: 5 . Hero checks and Villain bets 50$. Hero folds.

Only reason im asking about this hand (i know its not interesting at all) is because i feel like my line was just lighting money on fire. should i have just checked turn and gave up? How would you guys have played it?
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03-01-2018 , 01:01 PM
It's a rather dry flop, and when you 3bet from the blinds you represent a big hand, at least AK. I would have cbet.

Pre sizing could have been bigger, so yes to $35. I also agree 3betting is much better than calling.
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03-01-2018 , 01:15 PM
I like the 3bet preflop and ya size could be a bit bigger. Now otf, out of position against 2 villains, without a backdoor flush draw to barrel, pretty clear check I think.

Once it checks through , I check again, as i would expect to get called by 66 through JJ fairly often, and maybe even a K with a medium kicker is laying in the weeds.
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03-01-2018 , 01:37 PM
I would have gone a little bigger pre, but 3betting is definitely correct.

I c-bet this board, but if I don't, I don't put any more money in unless I hit at least a pair.
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03-01-2018 , 05:25 PM
With an 8 open and a call, I'd 3b to 40 (OOP I start with 4x the raise + 1x for each caller and then adjust based on any specifics of the situation). We're raising larger in order to avoid offering good odds for V to call IP.

If we were HU OTF, I'd probably put out a routine cbet. Against two V's I'd check unless I had specific reads I was exploiting (basically something that meant they tended to lay down hands to continued aggression).

AP, once we're called in two places on the flop, the hand is over unless we improve. If we had gotten rid of one of them OTF, we could consider another barrel (but only consider -- it would depend on reads and specific turn card).
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03-01-2018 , 08:45 PM
I’m not a huge fan of 3-betting AQ off in the blinds but in the game
you have described I would have also 3b I’m this spot.

For me it’s pretty clear you have to C-bet this flop but to be sure I would have to know more about the villains tendencies. However, your 3b range will have AK and Kx in it so betting looks pretty strong here.

If you don’t Cbet this flop I wouldn’t invest another penny in the pot unless we spike an ace in the turn.
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03-01-2018 , 08:58 PM
OP, I'm not criticizing here, just curious:

You didn't cbet the flop but then when the brick of all bricks hit (yes I realize it made two straights possible, but it's a brick as far as it hitting your SB 3b range other than giving you a river gutshot if you have an ace) you bet $40. If you were willing to stab that $40, why not do it on the flop? I think the 2c is about the worst card that could have hit to do a delayed cbet with. The story just doesn't add up. Invest that $40 in a flop cbet instead.

I'm ok with playing passive and giving up on the right table, too. I just think betting the turn on a delayed cbet is the worst of the 3 options.
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03-02-2018 , 02:09 PM
Definitely betting flop and turn on this board as default. This is a perfect board to barrel and probably need to fire at least twice to fold out pocket pairs.

I am assuming the 5 did not complete the flush... as played I am tempted to not give up on the river. You have AK, KQ blockers, and you aren't blocking a A or Q high fd.

Shove: On the river, villain has roughly $130 in his stack and the pot size is $214. Shoving on him you risk $180 to win $214, breaking even at >46% fold required.

Call: Risk $50 to win $214. Getting 4.3:1 you have to be good like 23% of the time. (please correct my math if anything is wrong). His range definitely includes busted flush draw. I would be surprised if he bet the river with 66-JJ but he could be a button clicker.

I don't know much about the way V plays but his range is probably wide enough based on description to at least consider not folding on river.
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03-02-2018 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HawkesDave
OP, I'm not criticizing here, just curious:

You didn't cbet the flop but then when the brick of all bricks hit (yes I realize it made two straights possible, but it's a brick as far as it hitting your SB 3b range other than giving you a river gutshot if you have an ace) you bet $40. If you were willing to stab that $40, why not do it on the flop? I think the 2c is about the worst card that could have hit to do a delayed cbet with. The story just doesn't add up. Invest that $40 in a flop cbet instead.

I'm ok with playing passive and giving up on the right table, too. I just think betting the turn on a delayed cbet is the worst of the 3 options.
I think this is a very good point. In retrospect I definitely should have just bet the flop instead of turn.
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03-02-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
Definitely betting flop and turn on this board as default. This is a perfect board to barrel and probably need to fire at least twice to fold out pocket pairs.

I am assuming the 5 did not complete the flush... as played I am tempted to not give up on the river. You have AK, KQ blockers, and you aren't blocking a A or Q high fd.

Shove: On the river, villain has roughly $130 in his stack and the pot size is $214. Shoving on him you risk $180 to win $214, breaking even at >46% fold required.

Call: Risk $50 to win $214. Getting 4.3:1 you have to be good like 23% of the time. (please correct my math if anything is wrong). His range definitely includes busted flush draw. I would be surprised if he bet the river with 66-JJ but he could be a button clicker.

I don't know much about the way V plays but his range is probably wide enough based on description to at least consider not folding on river.
Hmm I suppose I could get behind barrelling the flop and turn given th reasoning you described. Could potentially get villain to fold a weak K on the turn by barrelling..
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03-03-2018 , 02:42 PM
I've been noticing a lot of posts lately where people are squeezing way too small, especially oop. I squeeze $40(5x) here oop vs the open + one caller. I'll ramp up my sizing for every caller of the original open.

Villain's $8 raise after a couple limpers looks incredibly weak and I'd expect a healthy 3-bet to pick up the dead money quite a bit of the time. But the $28 3-bet will never get through.

As played I'd be tempted to look up villain on river with AQ high.
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