Hi everyone. Apologize if this one is in the wrong forum. I typically frequent here and the LLSNL forum says up to 3/5 nlhe. Well, this is technically a little larger . Actually, I'm hoping that some of the forum regs chime in with advice.

I'm looking for a line check. I don't think my line is ideal for any good thinking V, but I could be overthinking this.

On to the hand

Table LivePoker - $5/$5 - No Limit Holdem – 11:00:00 ET - 2015/12/19
Seat 1: STATION ($300)
Seat 2: NIT ($500)
Seat 3: REG ($200)
Seat 4: FISH1 ($200)
Seat 5 HERO ($880) -- UTG
Seat 6: FISH2 ($300)
Seat 7: NittyMcNit ($920)
Seat 8: FlauntGirl ($635)
Seat 9: SuperNIT OMC ($760)
REG posts the small blind of $5
FISH posts the big blind of $5
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Q Q]
Hero calls $5
FISH2 calls $5
NittyMcNit folds
FlauntGirl calls $5
SuperNIT raises to $45
STATION calls $45
NIT folds
REG folds
FISH1 folds
Hero calls $40
FISH2 calls $40
FlauntGirl calls $40

I limp here UTG with QQ for deception by including stronger hands in my limping UTG range. My plan is totally situational on action. I've started to notice a trend where the V's on my left will limp in or sometimes open with like J8s, and the stations/fish on my right will raise in LP to punish with a super wide open (like 56s+). So depending on who/what happens, will give me some flexibility here. Typical raises have been about $20 no matter how many people enter the pot (more of a "I have a weak hand, but i want to build the pot" bet)

OMC hasn't played a hand in over 3 hours and has been commented by another local reg that he is just waiting for Aces privately to me. Feels like OMC has a VPIP < 3.

So when OMC who hasnt played a hand for 3 hours sees 3 limpers in front of him and raises to $45, I read this as "I have a freaking big hand, I dont care, I'm advertising AA and gtfo the hand now. I want to win". His range here is like KK+ always.

I was actually surprised to see UTG+1 call, and the "Flauntgirl" who called has pairs here, 100% of the time.

*** FLOP *** [Q T T] (pot = $235)
Hero checks after smashing flop
FISH2 checks
FlauntGirl checks
SuperNIT (OMC) bets $150
STATION folds
Hero calls $150
FISH2 folds
FlauntGirl folds

OMC cbetting here for $150 means overpair 100% of the time. Transparent hand is transparent.

There are benefits from donking out on the flop here for a regular V in a HU pot or even C/R, but this is multiway. In addition to perceived table image(s) plus smashing this flop so hard, I think that check/call in almost always in order. Plus another villain may make a mistake in this situation. Flop decision I think is straight forward.

*** TURN *** [Q T T] [3] (POT=$535)
Hero checks
SuperNIT bets $100
Hero ???

My read on this situation is that he always has the A in his hand here, but is scared about the 3 hearts since his two pair hand is now much more vulnerable. Is leading this turn better possibly?

PREFLOP:

Limping "for deception" seems a bit first level. Do you have a l/c range? A l/rr range? How does this hand fit in those ranges and improve the overall profitability?

If players behind you are juicing the pot with 4bb raises behind multiple raises, then I assume the plan is to l/rr and squeeze out a bunch of players. Have you l/rr'ed before and/or are the fish bad enough to not think you're FoS here and play back with all sorts of BS?

Speaking very generally, you're gonna end up overrepping your hand a lot. QQ UTG is a lot like bottom two in a limped pot. Players in this game are too passive to blast the pot with hands that are worse than yours, so you're generally doing way better against a call down range than when you face an equivalent level of aggression. So your alternative is to induce some action and then raise it on an early street, but then you end up repping such a strong range that you're overrepping your hand and only beating bluff catchers.

Again, this is speaking *very* generally, but just wanted to dig a bit deeper into what your plan was. And obviously this only applies with passive players behind. If there are aggro players who punish l/c'ers with big isos and barrels, then this adjustment makes sense. Tester raises of $20 with marginal hands isn't really what I'm looking for here.

POSTFLOP:

Obviously you're not gonna win a ton of money off of the OMC on this board, so I'd give up on that idea. I'd probably just take the betting lead on the flop because I wouldn't put it past a mega-nit checking the flop, and then there's no one but a passive player left to act behind him. Even if mega-nit bets, we can't rely on him betting more than 1/2 PSB.

I know our hand is invulnerable from losing at showdown, but I still want to get hearts/SDs to commit money while there are still two cards left to come, want Tx to play their hand like it's the nuts before hearts fall, etc. I also tend to think OMC calls down lighter than he bets, but again, he's probably not committing a ton of chips after the flop either way.

If he's as nitty as you say, he's probably folding to any raise. His turn bet is a blocking bet and he wants to see a show down. I think i just flat here and make him think he is good. Then jam over his river bet and he probably can't fold for such a small amount left.

Oh, and as played, I just flat the turn and hope a heart rolls off. I prefer to lead a heart river than to check because even if he tries to squeeze value out of the Kh, it's probably going to be for some stupid size.

surviva316:

1) I do have a L/C range. and a L/R range, but i rarely like doing this so i only bother under more optimal situations. Applicable at this table.

2) Table is soft, mostly everyone plays based on their actual handstrengths, but top pair no kicker is usually the nuts for most of these guys. Hand strength is inelastic. I havent seen any 3-betting at all at this table.

agnostia: that leaves an pot size bet on the river, and there's a good amount of scare cards on the river, right? If V has the nut heart, and things play out like you mention, a good V would probably fold on the river on a ship.

If this is the case, then limping with the intention of l/rr'ing most of the time to squeeze loads of money between you and the raiser is good. In my defense, I did have that bit in there where I like this if villains are soso bad that they're spewing equally in the face of l/rr's as they are in the face of an open. If there's no such thing as overrepping your hand at this table, then obviously there's not hitch (other than the risk of the pot going unraised).

The opening sentence about doing it for deception and to strengthen limping range just threw me, I guess.

Call and open-shove any non-K/A river.

He's already got almost a half of his chips in there. He probably reads you for AQ. If a lands he will easily call with the A, though I think the odds of him calling your all-in are going to be almost as good as when a non-heart river lands. He's at the cusp of being committed with AA/KK (leaning towards AA). A third 10 would be gin here.

It's a good time to value own an OMC nit.

Agree.

Check/call
Check/call
Ship

I don't know if your OMC nits are different but around here those that wait 3 hours for aces are not about to fold them on the flop.
So I CR the flop before any cards come that might cause him to slow down.