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01-11-2019 , 03:52 AM

jdp

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I've been playing 2/5 NLHE games in a casino recently where some young LAG's will frequently 3-bet a LP raise in the blinds (usually by about 3.5x the raise.) I'm sure their range is fairly loose - what's a good counter if say stacks are 100 BB's each, there's a limper in MP for $5, I raise to 20 on the Btn with 78s and SB makes it 70 to go?

(I'm torn between re-raising about 2.5x or waiting for the Flop and raising there, but my live poker is very rusty.)

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01-11-2019 , 04:31 AM

Lapidator

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Originally Posted by jdp

Stop opening light when you know you have LAGs on your left.

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01-11-2019 , 09:58 AM

jdp

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

Stop opening light when you know you have LAGs on your left.

You'd toss away decent cards with position against loose players? (I'd say they re-raise about 50% of the time.) Doesn't sound right to me...

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01-11-2019 , 10:34 AM

snowman

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Originally Posted by jdp

You'd toss away decent cards with position against loose players? (I'd say they re-raise about 50% of the time.) Doesn't sound right to me...

see bolded
there's your flaw in thinking right there

try limp calling if you insist on playing rags knowing you'll get 3-bet

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01-11-2019 , 10:39 AM

Railbird_1211

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Most tables this is a raise, but I have no problem overlimping here with LAGs to our left, especially if we are not deep. In general, at normal 100BBs, we can limp more of our speculative range vs. raising.

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01-11-2019 , 01:01 PM

Lapidator

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You'd toss away decent cards with position against loose players? (I'd say they re-raise about 50% of the time.) Doesn't sound right to me...

Do you want to play 87s for 4bb or 14bb when 100bb deep?

The only other option is to 4b back. If you think they're capable of 3b/folding, then this is possibly a better line.

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01-11-2019 , 01:05 PM

Randal_Graves

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3betting from the blinds is a pretty popular strategy on training sites right now. The one I use has you playing your entire continuing range from the SB as a 3bet vs CO/BTN opens/iso's. You have to tighten up your open/iso range when these people are to your left.

Also, you can just seat/table change so that the toughest players probably in the room aren't to your direct left. Game selection is pretty key.

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01-11-2019 , 01:20 PM

aftrglw

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Don't start limping because you are afraid of being raised. Tighten up your LP opening range a bit, 4b the top of it and fold the bottom. Once you start 4betting back they won't 3b you light.

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01-11-2019 , 02:16 PM

snowman

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Originally Posted by aftrglw

Don't start limping because you are afraid of being raised. Tighten up your LP opening range a bit, 4b the top of it and fold the bottom. Once you start 4betting back they won't 3b you light.

your not limping because your afraid of being raised

when they raise then you can call in position to see a flop

or 3-bet them if you want

you should mix up your play

if your only move in late position is to fold or raise then of course your going to get 3-bet light

agree with 4-bet options with top of range as your going to get called

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01-11-2019 , 05:14 PM

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aftrglw

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That's exactly why people are advocating limping: they are afraid of being 3b so they are relying on other players to do the raising for them. If you want to limp speculative hands in LP for pot control pre, that's fine I guess... but I'd prefer opening. We build the pot for value when we hit, protect our opening range, and gain the initiative (which means we can peel a turn card on a lot of flops on hands like 78s which are naturally going to flop a lot of draws. If the LAGs in the blinds want to 3b all our late position opens, then they're bloating a pot OOP and that's great for us.

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01-11-2019 , 08:30 PM

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Kobold Esq

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This may be one of the few times I am ok with limping. If you are the co or BTN and you have a known agro player in the blinds, remember you will have position on them post flop. It isn't the end of the world to limp JTs in the CO if you expect a 15 bet from the BB. Just call and go back to playing normal play post flop

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01-11-2019 , 08:58 PM

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jdp

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves

It's not a new strategy - I was doing it myself in 5/10 games at Party way back in 2005

What do the trainers at your site say you should do when facing a reraise?

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01-11-2019 , 09:06 PM

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jdp

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

Do you want to play 87s for 4bb or 14bb when 100bb deep?

The only other option is to 4b back. If you think they're capable of 3b/folding, then this is possibly a better line.

But I DO have other options - I can also call and raise the flop as I said. Since he's bluffing with a wide range he'll usually have little or nothing on the flop, so surely that's +EV? And overall I'm playing much tighter than the average player, since 87s is the bottom of my range. It's not like I'm raising every time I have the Btn, so he has to give me some credit for a good hand.

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