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02-13-2018 , 01:42 AM
Golden Nuget. Hero is in MP with a good image - $600 beghind. Villian is an aggressor Reg with a similar stack size in HJ.

Folds to Hero with A5 and I raise to 12. Villian, Button, BB call.

Flop: 553 (Pot 48)

Everyone checks

Turn: 10 ( Pot 48)

Hero Check, Villian bet 30, folds to hero and we raise to 75. Villian tanks and raises to 190 total. We tank and call.

Pot is now 380 and the river is a 9

Hero checks, Villian shoves for 280 and we call.
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02-13-2018 , 01:52 AM
Bet the flop.

As played you butchered this hand. He could have a boat or he could have a naked 5. Either way you’ll get to find out cuz you’re not folding.

But seriously, x flop -> x/r turn is such a horrendous line. Please never do that in a 4-way pot on a board like this.

Bet bet bet.
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02-13-2018 , 02:43 AM
I love the action at the Golden Nugget.

But slow playing our hand is rarely optimal.

If we bet one or more won't believe us.

And with that board, what are they going to bet into us? A3?

By checking we let all pocket pairs hands get a free card.
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02-13-2018 , 04:02 AM
Bet flop , with 3 opponents and a draw heavy board , you dont want to give free cards, as played your hand is pretty disguised and looks like air, and I like the check line on river , you get all his bluffs and I don't think he's 3betting with just a 10 on turn, probably draw trying to rep a 5 , good to let him continue his story

And if he did have pocket 10's your never winning this pot regardless if you bet flop or not,

What did he show ?
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02-13-2018 , 04:31 AM
Villian showed pocket 10s and took it down. We would never make a pot size bet on the flop here and that’s maybe the only thing that would have gotten him to fold OTF.

I did strongly consider folding to his 3-bet on the turn but with my kicker combined with his bluffing range, 10x, or 5x type hand I elected to stick it out.

Could anybody fold here or am I just special?
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02-13-2018 , 05:14 AM
You should be cbetting this flop almost 100% of the time because you have a huge range advantage as the raiser. AP either fold to the turn 3 bet or call and call down. Probably leaning toward a fold. This is never a bluff. If he's actually aggressive why would he not stab at a flop second last to act where everyone is likely to have missed? When the T comes on the turn is he suddenly just gonna wake up and 3 bet bluff you? Also doubt he's putting 300 bbs in with just a 5. There's very few combos of SCs with a 5 anyways cause you have a 5 and if he's actually an aggressive reg he's way more likely to 3 bet a hand like 65s/54s than to flat them anyways. This is also NEVER Tx. Why would top pair 3 bet the turn then jam the river 300 bbs effective?

Finally, why is an "aggressive" reg checking TT on a 553 flop when he's second last to act?
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02-13-2018 , 08:41 AM
I really can't imagine anyone folding TT on that flop to any bet. I equally can't imagine anyone checking TT on that flop, but people do dumb stuff all day long at poker tables.

Your spot to get away from it was definitely on his turn 3-bet. What is he doing this with that you beating? Unless he's an absolute maniac, and he's not, based on the description and his actions, he never has A-T or K-5. Your line screams "I flopped trips" and he's saying he doesn't care. This is 33 or TT just about every time. You might get lucky and he turns over the same hand, but worse? Rarely.
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02-13-2018 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
I really can't imagine anyone folding TT on that flop to any bet. I equally can't imagine anyone checking TT on that flop, but people do dumb stuff all day long at poker tables.

Your spot to get away from it was definitely on his turn 3-bet. What is he doing this with that you beating? Unless he's an absolute maniac, and he's not, based on the description and his actions, he never has A-T or K-5. Your line screams "I flopped trips" and he's saying he doesn't care. This is 33 or TT just about every time. You might get lucky and he turns over the same hand, but worse? Rarely.

exactly this.

all kinds of alarm bells start going off when he 3! the turn. He most likely turns up 35 or 33 here, so you do have some outs going to the river. but river is a fold.

also, it is generally better to bet trips in multiway pots like this. but in this particular spot, slow playing it on a board with all low cards like that is probably better for extracting value in a normal situation.

unfortunately, this hand is a bit of a cooler. but you still should be able to fold this river given his sizing and continued aggression.
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02-13-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Bet the flop.

As played you butchered this hand. He could have a boat or he could have a naked 5. Either way you’ll get to find out cuz you’re not folding.

But seriously, x flop -> x/r turn is such a horrendous line. Please never do that in a 4-way pot on a board like this.

Bet bet bet.
Yeah this is pretty spot on. Betting the flop as the PFR on a 553 board looks like a c-bet w/ air and will get called light. To be fair, I don't know if there is any way you could play this hand thought without getting stacked by TT. If you bet flop, he likely flats, setting up unavoidable fireworks on turn/river.
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02-13-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Yeah this is pretty spot on. Betting the flop as the PFR on a 553 board looks like a c-bet w/ air and will get called light. To be fair, I don't know if there is any way you could play this hand thought without getting stacked by TT. If you bet flop, he likely flats, setting up unavoidable fireworks on turn/river.
But what are they gonna do about it? You crush everyone's range. If they start floating or raising you can readjust and own them with your stronger value range.
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02-13-2018 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
But what are they gonna do about it? You crush everyone's range. If they start floating or raising you can readjust and own them with your stronger value range.
I'm not sure I understand your point here. My point is that you will likely get called by all pocket pairs, any 3, and any 5, so we should bet for value on the flop.
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02-13-2018 , 06:02 PM
I think the villain has pocket tens. He got a free card and then cashed it in when he hit. 5-3, 10-5 don't really make sense. If he just had 5-X, he wouldn't be going all-in against the strength you have shown on the turn. Fold the river as played. Continue on the flop. Most of the time you will just take it down and that's okay. Occasionally, someone with a 5 will think you are trying to buy the pot and it will be profitable.
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02-13-2018 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Keys Kid
Turn: 10 ( Pot 48)

Hero Check, Villian bet 30, folds to hero and we raise to 75. Villian tanks and raises to 190 total. We tank and call.
Here is where your goose was cooked. As others said, bet the flop. However, if villain turned up with TT he wasn't folding to a flop bet and he isn't 3b! OTT with 99. Villain's 3b! after a x/r OTT is such a strong line it is either TT/T5/53 or an incredibly bold/reckless bluff with something like 46. Nothing wrong with calling river, hopefully he turned up with QQ+ for your sake, but because of the nature of 2+2 posts my guess is you got stacked by a boat.

EDIT: I guess I could have read the thread and saved myself some time. Hand is a cooler, you could play it perfectly well or perfectly bad and you are getting stacked here no matter what. A hero fold OTR given the turn action might be debatable, but there is a lot of reasonable 5x in villain's range and folding is a mistake, imo.

The grammar nazi in me must say that seeing "villain" spelled as "villian" drives me nuts.

Last edited by dmccoy87; 02-13-2018 at 06:25 PM. Reason: I hate typos worse than I hate coppers.
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