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02-24-2017 , 10:44 AM
1/2 NL at the Isle. Hero ($500) is at a pretty nice table, lots of limping and general passivity. Hero is playing LAG and is one of only two players at table not open limping, and raising over limpers. Have been pounding value when its available.

Villain ($300) is YWG, who is definitely thinking about the game, but still making lots of mistakes. He open limps a lot, and in general is just too passive pre and post.

History: About 1.5 hours ago Villain limped UTG, there were 4 more limpers, and Hero is in the SB with TT. I made it $16 to go, Villain raised to $45, one of the other limpers called all in for less, Hero folded. Villain had AA.

OTTH: Villain limps UTG, 3 more limpers to Hero in SB with 44, Hero completes.

Flop ($12) 34J

Hero leads out for $10, Villain calls, everyone else folds.

Turn ($32) 34J2

Hero bets $25, Villain calls.

River ($82) 34J2K

Hero bets $50, Villain raises to $125. Hero?

Would you have played any street differently, and why?
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02-24-2017 , 11:02 AM
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1/2 NL at the Isle. Hero ($500) is at a pretty nice table, lots of limping and general passivity. Hero is playing LAG and is one of only two players at table not open limping, and raising over limpers. Have been pounding value when its available.

Villain ($300) is YWG, who is definitely thinking about the game, but still making lots of mistakes. He open limps a lot, and in general is just too passive pre and post.

History: About 1.5 hours ago Villain limped UTG, there were 4 more limpers, and Hero is in the SB with TT. I made it $16 to go, Villain raised to $45, one of the other limpers called all in for less, Hero folded. Villain had AA.

OTTH: Villain limps UTG, 3 more limpers to Hero in SB with 44, Hero completes.

Flop ($12) 34J

Hero leads out for $10, Villain calls, everyone else folds.

Turn ($32) 34J2

Hero bets $25, Villain calls.

River ($82) 34J2K

Hero bets $50, Villain raises to $125. Hero?

Would you have played any street differently, and why?
I play it the same. I may bet river a little more, like maybe $60-65, but $50 isn't bad.

I really kinda want to jam over his raise, because he shouldn't have JJ or KK, and this feels like how he would play KJ. However, he shouldn't have had AA in the other hand, and if he really is passive, he might not be raising 2 pair here. Would he play A5 or 65 like this on all streets (open limp, call with a gutshot, slowplay the nuts on the turn)?

I probably would end up just calling, because I am a wuss.
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02-24-2017 , 11:15 AM
He has ~140 behind after the raise, he really shouldn't have JJ or KK after just calling flop/turn, but 65 is a real possibility... I probably just call
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02-24-2017 , 11:22 AM
just call he probably has a straight but it's not enough to fold.
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02-24-2017 , 12:18 PM
I'd make it $15 on the flop. You need to start shoveling money in limped pots. The river is probably close to a fold with A5 and 65 hitting the straight on the turn. I don't see 33/22 holding their fire until the river, nor binked two pair raising after you b/b/b.
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02-24-2017 , 12:30 PM
Based on AA hand, I probably just call, because I don't know what he has! We really only beat KJ and AA.
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02-24-2017 , 12:38 PM
Bet more river. Every other set, Ad5d, All 16 combos of 65 (trust me), KJ and potentially AK make the most sense. Really looks like KJ, but I'm still just calling.
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02-24-2017 , 02:02 PM
If he can't show up with A5o/65o, this is pretty close between calling & raising. A5s/65s is 8 combos, maybe discounted slightly when he flats the turn. He's likely calling a raise with however many of the 9 KJ combos we give him. I'd discount the AA combos more heavily than the KK ones due to the river raise, to the point where AA & KK roughly cancel out. All other sets seem pretty unlikely given his line, but JJ/33 basically cancel out anyway.

If he'll ever limp A5o/65o UTG, raising is going to be -EV.

I'd probably call in game and swear under my breath when he inexplicably flips over AK like it's the nuts.
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02-24-2017 , 04:02 PM
Get the money in. If you trust he is thinking player.

Think we can heavily discount straights. I am okay going broke here

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02-24-2017 , 04:07 PM
He's passive pre and post, yet raises the river to someone taking a b/b/b line. I call, make him show, muck if he's ahead, and take the info.
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02-24-2017 , 04:15 PM
Bet more every street. Don't feel like your going to waste a set. If they can call 10 they can call 20 on the flop.

As played nit call.
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02-24-2017 , 04:36 PM
Of course you have to call here. but from my experience, passive players only raise with the nuts, they aren't raising with worse than 56, A5 here, (yes, they will just call with JJ, KK and sometimes A5 here). Which makes the river an easy bet/fold, right. but i'm still calling, because i hate folding

question, what is the bottom of our b/b/b/call range as played? would we call with J4,KJ?
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02-24-2017 , 05:02 PM
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I call the river, Villain flips over 56. Yuck
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02-24-2017 , 06:38 PM
You probably had to call but I think it's at least closer than people seemed to have thought. I know it may seem easy to say this after you posted the result but I really would have said this regardless.

I saw a few people mention you could beat AA but I'm not sure how anyone could have thought that hand was a possibility. I get he limped with it before but he then tried to get money in quick to weed out other players. So, I could see him limping pre again but this as soon as you bet the flop I'm thinking he will then raise with AA to thin the field like he did pre before. If nothing else, someone who is "to passive" isn't waiting for the river then raising with one pair after calling every other street.

I'm really not even 100 pct sure a player like this is always raising the river with KJ. I could see them have A5 as it was just 10 dollars on the flop and of course they could have 56.

Also, people suggesting a shove on the river was a good play here.... just terrible I think
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