Alot of players would be able to exploit me on the river, by for example bluffjam on my thin valuebets or hands that i am not prepared to stackoff with on the river. Basically exploiting my bet/fold range.
But the amount of players that is actually doing it at the table in game, is very very few from my experience. And if i stumble across some of those good players, i am able to observe and understand what is happenning- and then make readjustments, for example widening my callingrange some if i get raised on the river alot from a spesific player that i suspect is exploiting me.
Why most people always have it on the river:
1) More people than you think plays livepoker severly underrolled, wich have the effect of many players ist just nutpeddling. They want to play as risk free as possible due to them being underrolled, so therefor they try and only put significant amount of money into pots with nutted hands.
2) Many players are just uncomfortable bluffing and even semibluffing, so they simply avoid doing it altogether- or they do it very very rarely.
3)The biggest and most common leak by far in livepoker is _calling too much_.More and more players realize this, so they adjust to that (correctly so in a vacuum) by tightening their overall bettingrange, and making sure to have it more often than not when big bets go in.
IMO things change drastically from 1/2-1/3 to 2/5. This could be from both the real life 'value' of $$ and/or typically stacks are deep enough at 2/5 to pull off more 'moves'.
I think exploiting and 'having it' are slightly two different things that really depend on your playing style. If you 'always' pay them off, or they actually do have it when you do, then they are probably one in the same.
Exploitive poker is taking advantage of a player's tendencies. Whether it be folding to a c/r a high (enough) percentage of the time or just simply allowing them to bet/bet/bet before raising. This is poker playing and typically takes a 'poker playing' opponent as well since 'card' players tend to get married to their holding and the Board. Exploitive poker tends to take place PF/Flop at 1/2 but expands to Turn/River at 2/5.
I don't want to be harsh since you haven't given us any hand examples but it really comes down to one (or both) of two things ...
1) Your opponent knows your game play patterns/tendencies
2) You are not noticing or adapting to when this player makes it past the Flop/Turn GL
I can deffo be exploited deep stack OOP against a good V. Thankfully at 1/2, I haven't found many who are good enough to do it or ballsy enough to do it. But having an exploitable b/f river range is a must to play profitably at lower levels.
One other thing to add to what was said is that so many low limit players only play their cards and don't think or care about what their opponents may have. This is why you see an enormous amount of bet sizing errors from a lot of players (they bet what they think their hand is "worth", not what they should to win the pot).
I will actually think about how I can exploit the players I'm playing against in between hands. I ask myself what mistakes are they making and how can I take advantage of it.
The answers I come up with might be wrong but I think it's important to at least think about it in that way.
One other thing to add to what was said is that so many low limit players only play their cards and don't think or care about what their opponents may have.
IME, there is very rarely anyone of this type sitting at even the lowest of the low limit poker tables nowadays. Doesn't make everyone a wizard, but you will run into level 0 thinkers (only thinking about their own hand) very rarely in most poker environments.
IME, there is very rarely anyone of this type sitting at even the lowest of the low limit poker tables nowadays. Doesn't make everyone a wizard, but you will run into level 0 thinkers (only thinking about their own hand) very rarely in most poker environments.
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Not at the games I play. I see people bet $10 with the current nuts into $100+ pots with 4 opponents ALL THE TIME and then lament on how unlucky they were to get outdrawn.
As has been said time and again, u need to find a less difficult game.
I stand to be corrected, but I highly doubt you'll sit in many games where it is standard for typical opponents to bet $10 into $100 pots / put no thought whatsoever into what their opponents might have / etc. If you're sitting in that type of game, consider yourself extremely lucky, and things will definitely change in time.
I don't necessarily want to derail the thread with this observation, but basically bringing it back to the idea of being exploited: in general, if you are thinking that your opponents aren't attempting to figure out what you have, then you are selling your opponents way too short (which isn't good in the game of exploitation).
