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Passively get there on river.... Sizing?? Passively get there on river.... Sizing??

02-25-2015 , 07:10 AM
Just sat down. No reads.
1/2 NLHE
Limp from UTG
Call from MP
Hero has KsJs in HiJack and raises to 10.
Blinds fold and UTG call. MP folds
Pot (25)
Flop
Ah Qs 2h

Villain checks.Considering Villains range is packed with weak Aces and broadways, I decide to check here and hope to improve on turn.

Turn
4d

Villain checks. I think I should be betting here a good percentage of the time but I decided to check.

River
Th

Villain leads for 12

This really felt like a blocking bet at the time. Obv he could have a flush here but I would think that he would have fired the turn if so.
Hero raises to $35.......

Thoughts on sizing????
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02-25-2015 , 07:14 AM
Bet flop, bet turn.

AP, just call river. Readless, it's hard to say he calls with much worse. I mean, the flush isn't exactly hiding, and if he reraises, you will have to release your hand.
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02-25-2015 , 07:30 AM
I think sizing is fine imho.
I might make it a bit more pre, arround $15 maybe.
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02-25-2015 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Bet flop, bet turn.

AP, just call river. Readless, it's hard to say he calls with much worse. I mean, the flush isn't exactly hiding, and if he reraises, you will have to release your hand.

Is betting the flop here profitable in live cash games for you???


The reason I ask, is that I have found that cbetting in live games is not nearly as effective as online. A delayed cbet, I have found is much better.

As for double barreling, with his perceived range, is he folding to a double barrel?
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02-25-2015 , 05:17 PM
Pre is fine if that's the norm, although it's usually higher at the games I play.

I C-bet here. A limp from UTG could be anything -- probably small pair, suited (or not) connectors, weak A.

If he just calls, I can go either way, but firing again is usually a good idea. Lots of 1/2 players will call once with a weak A, but not twice.

As played, against an unknown, I just call river. I'd hate to have to fold to a raise and find out he had two pair or a weak A.
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02-25-2015 , 05:28 PM
Stack sizes?

I would probably cbet the flop, but I don’t hate checking back on this board texture.

I think the turn would be a good spot for a delayed cbet when villain checks a second time. The only problem is that you’re likely to get looked up pretty light here, since villain isn’t putting you on an A after you check back the flop, so I think I like betting the turn with the intention of double barreling blank rivers.

As played raise/fold on the river seems like the right line to me.
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02-25-2015 , 05:50 PM
Grunch:

No reads, yet we iso-raise two limpers with a mediocre hand. Really? What are the effective stacks? I'd fold pre.

Bet or check flop is okay. I lean towards a check back because we have no reads.

Turn is fine. Betting the turn now looks FOS. Again, read-dependent and WE HAVE NO READS!!!

River is a clear raise/fold for value.
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02-25-2015 , 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Grunch:

No reads, yet we iso-raise two limpers with a mediocre hand. Really? What are the effective stacks? I'd fold pre.

Bet or check flop is okay. I lean towards a check back because we have no reads.

Turn is fine. Betting the turn now looks FOS. Again, read-dependent and WE HAVE NO READS!!!

River is a clear raise/fold for value.
Agree with everything except the fold pre part.
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02-25-2015 , 06:11 PM
fine imo.
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02-27-2015 , 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Grunch:

No reads, yet we iso-raise two limpers with a mediocre hand. Really? What are the effective stacks? I'd fold pre.

Bet or check flop is okay. I lean towards a check back because we have no reads.

Turn is fine. Betting the turn now looks FOS. Again, read-dependent and WE HAVE NO READS!!!

River is a clear raise/fold for value.
Folding KJ suited preflop in the Hijack is profitable how??

As for iso-raising 2 limpers with a mediocre hand, are we only isoing limpers with premiums? If you believe this, you are leaving a ton of money on the table.
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02-27-2015 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Folding KJ suited preflop in the Hijack is profitable how??

As for iso-raising 2 limpers with a mediocre hand, are we only isoing limpers with premiums? If you believe this, you are leaving a ton of money on the table.
You have zero reads yet you want to make moves. I'm not saying iso'ing with KJo is a bad play but you have no idea how these opponents play. It's okay to wait a few orbits to get a feel for how players play before getting involved.

Not to mention you have not told us how deep we are or how deep our opponents are. In certain spots, raising KJo pre is a great spot. Sometimes is passable. Sometimes it's the wrong play and will lose us money. Obviously you've got it figured out tho, so crush on, crusher.
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02-27-2015 , 11:36 PM
Bet more pre
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02-28-2015 , 01:14 AM
Preflop is close in your first orbit; I think it's reasonable to raise here as we're suited and fold with JKo. If you do raise I would probably make it a bit more than 5x over 2 limpers as a default, more like 14 or 15.

You should cbet this flop HU as a default with 76o, so you should definitely cbet with the nut no pair plus a gutter and BDFD. Yes, Villain has Ax and broadway stuff in his limp/calling range that isn't folding, but he also has lots of other random garbage that will fold. You can cbet like 1/2 pot with air and it's profitable.

Bet turn, river is fine, obv folding to a 3bet.
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02-28-2015 , 07:42 AM
i mean i´m a huge holdem donk but if it´s somehow correct to open fold KJss in HJ after two limps i´d go suicidal
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02-28-2015 , 09:25 AM
I like raising pf but I would have made it $15. If you raise too small you're more likely to see someone behind you call, which will encourage others to call because they think they have pot odds. A bigger raise increases the chances you get position and avoid a multiway pot.

I'd c-bet the flop because people often put you on AK. The Q could also scare villain because from his perspective, you could also have AQ or KQ. You will get lots of folds from hands with kings, hands with jacks, connected hands, lower pairs and just plain trash.

As played, a turn bet could work but if you're betting the turn it will look more bluffy and I'd rather bet the flop.

I like raising the river. I might raise slightly smaller because villain could fear the flush though. But $35 is probably fine.
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02-28-2015 , 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by paratrooper99
This really felt like a blocking bet at the time. Obv he could have a flush here but I would think that he would have fired the turn if so.
Hero raises to $35.......
Why do you think he would have raised the turn if you're letting him draw for free? I don't agree with that.

I'd raise slightly more pre.

On the river a pot-sized bet is 3*12 + 25 or 61, so I think you can make your raise larger than 35, say to 45/50 or so.

Assuming you're drawing dead on the flop and you continuation bet half-pot he only needs to fold 1/3rd of the time to make it profitable. In this situation when you have outs it's profitable even if they fold less than 1/3rd of the time. I'd usually be continuation betting when heads-up.
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