Loose $1/3 table at Parx. Hero MAW with tight aggressive image. Effective stack is $750. Dealt to me in BB, AQo.

Loose V1 limps UTG - his range is super wide. He just doubled through a super tight lady who flopped a set and bet appropriately with a FD on board but he called a turn shove with 83 soooted to flush her set (he limp called a raise)..

Loose V2 is a Laggy steamer who is stuck for over $1k. He has $175 in front and he opens to $15.

Tight lady calls so when it gets to me, I raise to $65.
V1 tank calls. Now I was really hoping that V2 would just shove so I could iso but he merely calls. Tight lady folds.

Pot is around $200.

Flop is K-Q-2 rainbow and I decide to check planning on calling a bet and certainly calling off V2 shorty shove. But they check. Question: Should I be cbetting that flop always?

Turn 5 of clubs putting a club draw out there. I bet $85 for value and V1 who covers me calls. V2 folds (after the hand he said he had 9s - lol).

River a 3 of diamonds and I check intending to bluff catch if V1 bets. But he pots it for $300. Hero? V1 was loose but I couldn’t recall him bluffing much - mostly a station. Thoughts on all streets welcome.

Raise more pre. Put it up to $90ish

AP bet about ~$100-$125 on the flop

Turn I'm check calling

River is a fold. Mr. Station could show up here with so many ridiculous hands and you're only beating a bluff. KQ, AK, KT, K2, 23, 35, K3, any SOOTED king.

Pre larger, $80-90. Do we have a club?

I'm betting $60 on the flop with our range advantage and likely best hand.

Turn I would x/c and not expect to get bluffed much on the river. River AP I fold not expecting to be good 33% of the time.

I'm fine with preflop. ETA: I think our sizing is fine and gives us decent preflop FE as well as postflop FE as it will leave us with just over a PSB shove if V2 is the only caller (which I'm guessing is what we were expecting).

I think I would cbet the shorty's stack ($110 into $200, so a reasonable 1/2 PSB) on the flop. If V1 remains involved then I would start leaning towards passively getting to showdown for cheap UI.

As played, after flop checks thru I bet shorty's stack ($110) which is a reasonable 1/2 PSB.

Has dude ever bluffed? For the most part it looks like he's just super loose preflop trying to hit his piece of cheese and then tries to get payed off if he does. I was fine with our check/evaluate on the river, and even though his sizing is screaming "please fold" with a busted draw it could be an attempt for big value too (noting his tank/call preflop could easily be KK/QQ and even AA wondering whether to threaten the field with a limp/4bet or just disguised flat, so can't rule out these hands). Against players who are capable of bluffing this big on the river, might have to lean to a crying call; but most players aren't capable of this, so against the majority of the field I fold here.

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I swear people on here would say to 3bet larger even if you shipped it. The sizing was fine. I'm betting more on the turn, but as played, just fold.

Curious as to why this sizing would be considered fine? In general, If he raises to $90ish, that would increase the chances of this pot being heads up rather than multi-way. I'd rather play AQo OOP against one opponent rather than 2+.

Specifically here, I think $90 may or may not fold V1, but it would definitely fold or commit V2 to shoving pre, which would accomplish exactly what OP said he was looking to do.

$65 will be considered a pretty large 3bet sizing after just a $15 open and one call (although I guess with large $750 stacks and loose players you may still get unwanted multiway action).

But mostly I would assume this should get us HU with steaming V2, which will leave us with $110 in a $145 pot, so still some semblance of FE on the flop. If we make it $90, that'll create a $195 pot with $85 left so we'll have very little FE on the flop.

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We don’t have a club. The thought that he turned a club draw did cross my mind. Also not outside the realm that he has J10 or even A10.


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I think I prefer $75 preflop against this lineup and this depth, but $65 isn't bad.

I think I c-bet this board. All sorts of straight draws available, if you give them a free card, any 9 or higher could hurt you, and you won't know which. You also look quite strong here, so you're fairly likely to just take it down, which is a fine result in a sizable 3-bet pot.

On the turn having checked, it definitely widens their potential ranges. I think this is a fine bet and size.

On the river, I think I would've called up to about $175. While a big bet size is polar, and while this person seems loose and goofy, my guess is they just got there on the end. Probably A4 or 46, possibly K3s or Q3s, but regardless, pretty sure this person has a better hand than you, live players are so underbluffed.

OOP, with the loose player next to act, we want to go as large as we can, to get heads up for stacks with the steamer. In this case the answer is 95, as it still allows us to re-jam the steamer. The larger sizing might even help us get the tight lady to fold more of her range that is ahead of us, if she happens to be passive.

To the people asking me why I think the sizing is okay... because any bigger, and the only situation we get callers in is heads up OOP against hands where we're crushed. Calling/shipping us would be only done with strong hands. Sure, make it a big sizing if you want to take down a $20 pot. If you make it $90, big pairs and AK go over the top, and everyone else just folds. That's not what we want.

Pre 75-90 Flop 115 (wouldn't even be opposed to betting V2 stack at that point) Turn X-C

Like you mentioned above the only bluffs here are JT and AT (less likely because we block with an A) which does TOTALLY fit this action perfectly. If Villain hit a set of 2's or 5's OTT he probably would raise your bet OTT since a club draw is on board to go with the possible straight draws.

He never bets a naked K this way or even many two pair combos for that matter in this fashion.

It sucks, because we WANT to believe this is JT but 64cc or A4 off is probably more likely with this player. Fold and smile, better spots will come.

Agree with others above saying the flop is a c-bet with 2PTK. As played, that river bet is hell, because it doesn't look like you have much yourself and it's a great spot for a bluff.

The pot on the river is $370ish and $300 could be a bluff or for value.
So it comes down to your reads on this player and what it looks like when they value bet.

Thanks all for the replies. Results oriented is that I should have cbet flop as villain turned a set of 5s. Had he raised turn, I think I get away. I ended up calling as my hand is somewhat under repped and I felt this player type had enough bluffs to bluff catch. Villain offers up after the hand that he folds to a reasonable flop bet.


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