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Old 06-18-2016, 01:16 PM   #1
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Pair+bad fd 7 ways

500nl around 900 eff

Utg+2 vil opens for 25
2 calls to me in CO w 43hh I call (after looking left and being confident I won't get 3 bet, also bottom of my range here, but bring on the fold pres)
BTN calls, both blinds call

Flop 175 9h 7h 3d
Checks to vil who bets 100
One fold, one call
To me and?? Pot 375, 875 to work w
(bonus question, what do you do w 33 here)

Vil is stuck lag and spewy. Willing to lead multi way w all kinds of stuff here. I think he stacks off any qq+, Nfd or combo draw, obviously all 2 pair+ as well, has a substantial give up range still imo. I don't think he stacks off any 9x, 7x or JJ-TT, bets most of them w this sizing.

The dude flatting 100 in between doesn't seem like he's going to be an issue at all, probably capped at 9x (I do think he's blocking either a 9 or 7 here frequently)

I've been card dead and played probably 10% of my hands max in the past 2 hours. So mostly solid image.

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Old 06-18-2016, 01:23 PM   #2
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Re: Pair+bad fd 7 ways

Ummm with 33 i probably raise for clean value.

if V really is spewy enough to lead into this many players and give up Id probably raise it it here.

You're close to flipping against your listed range, dude inbetween is blocking some of Villians stackoff range (some combo draws, two pairs)

if he really does have a substantial give up range seems like a great spot to bluff.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:38 PM   #3
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Re: Pair+bad fd 7 ways

I'd flat here. A raise OTF on a drawy board just looks to be a semi-bluff.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:51 PM   #4
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Re: Pair+bad fd 7 ways

Raising flop for sure, it cleans up our flush outs and in general we do much better vs 1 player than a couple. $375 in the pot, I would make it $500 or so. Doing the same thing with 33 and 79s
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Old 06-18-2016, 06:38 PM   #5
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Raising flop for sure, it cleans up our flush outs and in general we do much better vs 1 player than a couple. $375 in the pot, I would make it $500 or so. Doing the same thing with 33 and 79s
We're on the same page w raising to clean up flush outs, I think there's also too much dead money and the field's range is to weak to call or fold. Can you talk a little bit more about why you go for 500 for sizing?

I was torn between 370 (which I went w), something like 500 and a jam , for sizing.
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Old 06-18-2016, 06:43 PM   #6
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I'd flat here. A raise OTF on a drawy board just looks to be a semi-bluff.
I agree on the second part; however I think that since our raising range also contains all 2pair+ here, and basically no pure bluffs that's it's going to be OK/imperative to balance w all of our big fd semi bluffs (A3 which might actually work better as a flat, JT, J8, T8, 86, 65 and 43). Thoughts?
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I agree on the second part; however I think that since our raising range also contains all 2pair+ here, and basically no bluffs that's it's going to be OK/imperative to balance w all of our big semi bluffs (A3, JT, J8, T8, 86, 65 and 43). Thoughts?
Yeah I mean my thoughts are that if your flop raising range contains nut hands and monster draws with tons of equity and blocker potential (Axs comes to mind) then raising is totally good and we are probably still really value heavy if we remeber that we have all sets and 97.

Id also add that ime our precieved range is probably not so semi bluff heavy since general population does not really bluff raise draws.
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Old 06-18-2016, 06:50 PM   #8
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I'd flat here. A raise OTF on a drawy board just looks to be a semi-bluff.
but a flat just looks to be a draw!

it is probably better to start putting semi bluffs into our flop raise range along with sets/2p as opposed to start checking our sets/2p to balance our flop call range.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:02 PM   #9
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We're on the same page w raising to clean up flush outs, I think there's also too much dead money and the field's range is to weak to call or fold. Can you talk a little bit more about why you go for 500 for sizing?

I was torn between 370 (which I went w), something like 500 and a jam , for sizing.
I don't think you fold nit flush draws with 375, and that is hhen goal of the raise.
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Old 06-18-2016, 08:31 PM   #10
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Re: Pair+bad fd 7 ways

Blast the everloving **** out of the pot now. You are way behind to almost nothing, there is a ton of overlay, and winning right now is a good outcome. You dont want a lot of multiway action. I pop to 550.
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