I think his river bluf raising range is Jokerx. Or in boring terms, 0%. I think that's why it's such a clear cut b/f. He might even have a hard time calling with a straight if he's timid.

Yeh, I'm on board with b/f half pot. I think the smaller bet might actually induce and I don't think there's much that flats it that doesn't flat a half pot bet.

Sorry I'd been in the middle of something, I'll come up and post the action and result and thoughts in a bit. Do continue though. Sorry about this.

river is easy bet/fold.

in re: discussions of 'what do we represent?' and 'what is he calling with here?' in situations where i'm basically 99% to be ahead and i'm pretty sure my opponents are going to check behind most of their range i just let them figure it out. besides, hero's asian and just sat down. he NEVER has a hand.

Bet folding $75-80 on this river, pretty large so he can only raise Straights + and we are a bit underrepped.

This feels like the ultimate betfold hand for a LAG because we will get looked up by AQ,KQ,JT,KK,AA, maybe KJ/AJ but not raised off a better hand. Villain will level himself that he is underrepped as well and will call accordingly. Most sets and 2p on turn would have bet for value I'd imagine.

Longest gap between actions in PAHWM history. Sol Reader, you still have fingers for posting?

Sorry my girlfriend's been really sick and stuff amidst travels, no hotel wifi (wtf?)

Against everyone in the thread, I like a check/call. I feel like our hand has no air, and his betting range is wider than his calling one. Most of the hands that call us will bet themselves, and also our hand looks fairly weak so they might consider bluffing us. If this was vs Tim, he'd probably overbet, but even without that I like a c/c. I'm surprised nobody like a check. I do think a bet is okay just because bad players can't fold but I think we get far more value checking.

HOWEVER:

Thoughts?

I would classify this as brain fart.

Why is that? How often does villain play a better hand this way?

How often does villain fold a better hand? How often does he call with worse? Tim has embraced his heritage in this one. Unless he's up against APD with 2h3h. That's te only time this is good.

river is pretty awful

check raising river and not planning to check raise the turn doesnt make any sense imo.

Was getting to this. If you're check raising in order to target AA/KK, then where was that on the turn? The hand as a whole doesn't make any sense. It's like it was one street at a time with a different plan for each one. Really not liking the river. Board bricked out, and now we're going nutso. Senseless to me.

Because AA/KK bet/folds turn quite often, whereas river he may realize that his range looks capped. Also his range when he bets turn has way more hands that beat us than when he checks turn bets river.

villain has a lot of thin value hands otr which probably snap fold to a check raise and a few hands which improved a lot on the river to either a set or flush which we value cut ourselves against by check raising.

otr we are almost always getting only one extra bet of value.

wait wtf this is a value raise? I think an unknown reggy looking 2/5 guy is much more likely to fold a better hand than call with a worse hand with just about any sizing.

How often and what better hands do you think he has?

A random 2/5 guy can have unlikely straights and flushes, which is still less unlikely than having a 1 pair hand that calls a river x/r though.

Almost always being ahead is not necessarily a good reason to raise.

What worse hands is he calling with otr? Especially with that bet sizing.

Given our perceived range after checking twice I don't think he's betting 90 here with a thin value hand too often. He's actually got us beat a fair %.

I expect river to get checked behind a lot. His range on the river is pretty polarized, and ldo it's 2/5 of course his range is polarized otr.

Sorry, been travelling and no internet. This has got to be the worst PAHWM ever.

Yeah I agree, I don't like a c/r just because it makes no sense for him to play a better hand this way doesn't mean he won't. Still I think it's at least a bit close because we do get heroed by worse sometimes.

That said to summarize my thoughts I like c/c c/c c/c, or c/c lead c/c, maybe c/c lead lead. I think once turns check through I like c/cing because we rep no air and villain bets a wider range than he calls with.

Anyway, the result:

Hero raises to 210, villain flats with AK for a turned straight that checked back.

trolololololol

Yeeep.

Have a nice day everyone I'm enjoying my internet wheee.