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Originally Posted by jt000
Really cant believe all the 'fold pre' advice ITT.
I am assuming from OP that H is one of the few good players at the table and that most are weak/passive and generally play bad.
We should definitely be looking to get involved with a hand like 89s, even if we are OP if we are head and shoulders above our opposition at post flop play...other players will be playing their hand face up and often at these tables, they get their bet sizing wrong and give you good odds to chase draws.
Stacks are deep enough to play this type of hand and its good for H's image that he can raise with a hand like this in EP, whereas he has shown previously aces, 88 etc, though some V's may not pay attention or are too inelastic to change.
I dont mind a limp or open, especially since when we raise, we are very unlikely to be 3bet..only this time it seems a V woke up with a good hand. Whatever. Then with a raise and call, he only 3x's the original raise which is small and with these stack sizes is a call. As we see in the hand, flop gets checked and turn bet is only $50, so again proves my point that post flop these players dont put us under much pressure or bet us out of chasing draws.
If youre not raising a hand like this in EP, it becomes so easy to put you on a narrow range and for a decent player to outplay you post flop with position...though i assume you guys are accounting for the fact these players probably arent good enough to do that, which i understand. Then a limp is a bit more justified but certainly not a fold.
pretty much all of this.
I'm always opening 98s in the scenario described. It's an absolute dream that the big stack 3 bets small like this outa the sb.
The fact that the flop checks through and then on the turn your facing a $50 bet just confirms everything. I think you can make an argument for calling or raising the turn. I don't think the sb is calling a big river bet regardless and button seems to be uninterested as well.
J