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08-16-2017 , 06:25 PM

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cicakman

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Don't think MLB all-star and 2/5 player is a good analogy. Maybe high school 2nd team JV honorable mention.

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08-16-2017 , 06:34 PM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by cicakman

Don't think MLB all-star and 2/5 player is a good analogy. Maybe high school 2nd team JV honorable mention.

In fairness, I make more money playing 2/5 than most minor league baseball players do.

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08-16-2017 , 07:43 PM

#53

Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Correct based on the actual hand is what I meant. I know we play based on ranges, but none of us know what his actual range is. We can guess but we dont know. Every player is different. I didnt do the math to figure my equity against what I think his range is. If I did, my guess is its probably pretty close to high 20s.

In the end, when faced with an all in like this we have to make our best guess at what his actual hand is based on everything we know and whatever read we have.

What I mean is, you should shy away from the term correct in such spot where you are often doing so poorly against a calling range to begin with, let alone a raising one. Ya know, if you bet $500 into $500 with $10 behind with 2nf and get raised for your last $10, well, it's still a "correct call" at that point, but remains a very misleading way of looking at things. A neutral bet turning into a +EV call-off is a long way from what are likely more profitable lines range v range.

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08-16-2017 , 07:47 PM

#54

Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

There is no one way to play poker. My style works for me and has been working for a pretty long time. Ive probably played more live hours in the past 18 months than 98% of the people on this forum.

Speaking for the other 2%, you're still just mashing up 100cap west coast Florida 2/5. I want you to continue to win all the money, but at some point you have to consider the possibility that you are suffering from big fish/small pond syndrome and take a long hard look at what stronger plays you might be able to utilize from time to time.

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08-16-2017 , 08:49 PM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

What I mean is, you should shy away from the term correct in such spot where you are often doing so poorly against a calling range to begin with, let alone a raising one. Ya know, if you bet $500 into $500 with $10 behind with 2nf and get raised for your last $10, well, it's still a "correct call" at that point, but remains a very misleading way of looking at things. A neutral bet turning into a +EV call-off is a long way from what are likely more profitable lines range v range.

That was my main point for posting this hand. I misplayed my way into forcing myself to make what at that point is the correct call but I should've never been in that spot. People who go on 15-20 buy in losing streaks do that crap all the time and call it "run bad". Im just publicly acknowledging it to myself to keep myself from doing it again.

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08-16-2017 , 08:52 PM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Im on the east cast of Florida but I get your point. But dont forget that whatever you have to do to beat the game you're in is what you should be doing. Some really strong online players come thru here from time to time and get their asses handed to them most of the time because what works online doesnt work in most full ring live games and certainly not where I play.

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08-16-2017 , 11:07 PM

#57

Shai Hulud

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Here's what I have a problem with. You say I play pretty passively post flop in a lot of situations where I should be bluffing/semi blufing...ect.

Says who? You're not Phil Ivey. You said that I insulted you but what you did was basically say my whole game sucks.

There is no one way to play poker. My style works for me and has been working for a pretty long time. Ive probably played more live hours in the past 18 months than 98% of the people on this forum. Ask anyone in my room and they will tell you Im one of the top 5 winners playing 2/5. My room is bigger than the Tampa HR so there's plenty of people playing there. Honestly I think there's only 1 guy who wins more than I do and its because he seemingly knows exactly when to make big bluffs and I havent mastered that. Whether you believe that or not is really of no concern to me. I dont bring that up to brag. I only bring it up because I have a pedigree. Its like some guy coming out of the minor leagues and giving an All Star hitting lessons and trying to tell the All Star to swing just like he does. You think the All Star is going to change his entire hitting stance and approach to hitting because some random new guy told him he sucks when the All Star has been crushing the ball for years? I doubt it.

If you want to tell me I screwed up a certain hand, like this one, that's cool. Thats why I posted it. But dont try to tell me my whole game sucks. That's nonsense. I guess if I fixed all the leaks people here have told me I have Id be hitting $100/hr?

I didn't say your whole game sucks or that you suck. You're being overly sensitive about this. All I'm saying is you have a leak, and you seem to be aware of it. And as I've said I'm far from the only person to have noticed this and pointed it out to you, but I guess you'll only listen to fellow All Star players like Phil Ivey. Oh, maybe he'll point out your leak the next time you guys hang out.

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08-17-2017 , 04:11 AM

#58

Rich Checkmaker

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

In fairness, I make more money playing 2/5 than most minor league baseball players do.

In fairness, you make a small fraction of what an MLB all star makes.

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08-17-2017 , 07:51 AM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker

In fairness, you make a small fraction of what an MLB all star makes.

Very very small fraction

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