Go to bet here. You'll get looked up by all kinds of flush draws, ace
King high and of course at 7. Nobody will ever suspect that you have Queens full.

If my math is correct, we can bet 2/3 pot on each street and get all the money in. Bet 95.

Checking the turn is a little too much FPS since we'd really rather this not check through.

What is hoped for when you check the turn (a steal attempt), can also be accomplished by betting small OTT (when we get raised) and we also get to guarantee that at least some $$$ goes into the pot.

cbet like 55. They're gonna think "he's just betting to see where he's at" you will get floaters on a paired board multi way such as 88, 99, Qb, Qx, and if anyone has 7x they're either floating the flop or will raise it now and a FD (especially a NFD) might wanna get stacks in otf.

If I check the flop and it checks around I might fall back in my chair and my hand would be dead. c/c looks super strong. Even my grandmother knows a cbet is a FOS bet so it won't get as much respect as a c/c and there are a lot of action killing cards that can turn such as any club, ace or king which is like 17 cards.

+1

I think 1/3 pot up to a little less than 1/2 pot is a good bet size for reasons stated above.

Slim, plus Lapi who also said we should cbet our entire range....

my utg raising range at a table like this is something like 1010+ AJss+, AQo+ and then J10ss and 109ss and then some amount of smaller pocket pairs, some of the time

assuming your range may be something similar, are you really saying that you're c betting your entire UTG raising range 6 way?

No I mean in this type of spot

This is a favorable board to cbet even 6-ways.

Seems like your UTG open range is wider then I was thinking though. I would not be cbetting [JT, 99-] type stuff.

With a "I am a nit TAG and rarely get into big pots without strong holdings" UTG open-raise range as I think it would be, even if we didn't hit, say J7s7o or K7s7o, I'm cbetting.

I think about it as range vs. range. Hero's range should still be stronger then the opposition.

Also, the multi-way hand is going to help us keep from being bluffed.

Check/calling is gonna look super duper strong in this spot because of our position. That is, unless UTG+1 bets the flop and we close the action, any check call is gonna send off warning bells to a thinking player.

Granted we look strong leading into the field, but check calling with people left to act looks even stronger IMO. With that sort of line the minimum we should have is AQ or AKcc.

Those aren't scare cards. We flopped the world. There are very few possible meaningful (i.e. multi-street value hands) to scare. Do we lose one bet against 88? Maybe. Not a huge part of our EV. Not only do those cards not kill action - they actually create significant possible action against the kinds of hands from which we might win quite a bit and maybe even stacks. I also don't understand how people think a line involving c/c flop and lead turn will somehow look stronger than a line involving bet/bet/shove after going 6-way to a Q77 flop.

I mean, low pocket pairs might call one flop bet. But very likely not 6-way after our UTG open. However, if there are, say, 3 pocket pairs out there as well as Ax and Kx, there are 6 turn cards to create worse full houses for villains and another 6 for TPTK. 7's create full houses, a ton of other cards make or complete draws. Betting the flop destroys significant potential post-flop value imo.

Besides QQ,77, with what other hands would we take a c/c lead line?

not for us for the other players and our range (they will kill the action when we lead the turn with those cards).

Given that we'd be perceived to cbet this particular texture with almost all of our UTG opening range I way prefer a bet here in the ~60 area. I think there's far more hands our opponents are likely to call a bet with than fire themselves when checked to in this spot. Even a smallish cbet still builds a bigger pot for later streets, and will make playing for stacks easier should they 'catch up'

If c/c flop + lead turn means we must have QQ,77, then I have a great new strategy.

Lol WUG? (Not really I get your point)

But I still believe more hands (6 ways) are likely to peel this board on flop than turn. It also gives us the benefit of inflating the pot which might give villain chance to do some stuff later in the hand.

the biggest advantage of the flop bet IMO is that it makes it easier to play for stacks. No 7 is folding, I can't see many flush draws folding and AQ, KQ aren't folding either.

against that, a flop bet from me looks super strong, particularly to the two villains who know me well, who should know I'm never c betting here 6 way without connecting with the flop - probably AQ+ it may also fold out hands that (88-JJ) that may stab at this should I check.

How many times have you double or triple barreled with a nitty pre flop range only to be called down by 1p?

I'm betting something like $95 or $100. I absolutely hate checking here, and I also hate betting small.

$50

60

I would bet small, $50ish. Small bet keeps our range wider.

Waits for SB and BB to act...

If they both check, hero should bet in the 50-75$ region

the game is 5/5, 700 max. We are 9 handed.

It's 8pm Friday night and the table has been open for 90 minutes. It's reg-ish, with most players known by sight, if not with a huge number of hours played. All players bought in for at least 500 and there's been a lot of action already. The vibe is friendly and jokey and all relevant players seem comfortable in their surroundings and at this game.

To date, almost every pot has gone multiway, mainly 3 to 6 to the flop. Some have been limped, most have been raised. One or maybe two 3 bet pots so far. Most players have at least a decent idea of how to play the game and most are comfortable (and would prefer) to play post flop poker.

Standard raise is generally $25, albeit BB and MP have been opening to $15.

Hero (UTG) - $900. MAWG. I am a nit TAG and rarely get into big pots without strong holdings. But I am noisy and outgoing and like to engage the table in conversation, which (i think) makes villains think I raise and play wider than I do. Have won two medium sized pots, neither have got to showdown. The more interesting hand, I raised pre, got called by MP (who was in BB at time), then checked back flop, delayed c bet turn which got called and then raised river after MP lead into me.

UTG +1 (700). Decent young Asian player. On the nitty side, likes to see flops for cheap and play post flop poker. Has approx 10 hours with Hero, during which time he has almost almost shown down very strong hands, but has seen Hero bet/fold a lot.

MP (700). Good (but not great) MAAG reg who plays as high as 10/20. Has over 100 hours with Hero. Again, likes to play post flop and happy to see cheap flops or play multi way. Loves playing in position against Hero and will often float flop and try to take it away on turn and river. Will also often bet into multiple players when checked to post flop either heads up or multiway, when he has any kind of equity. But often shuts down after one street if his bet doesn't get through. (eg he led on KK5dd flop into PFR with 85cc then shut down on turn and river and lost to 1010). Rarely makes big mistakes, but isn't overly aggressive and rarely puts you in nasty spots.

Button (1500) Bought in for 500 and running hot. 30 ish white guy. Stacked MP with a boat vs nut flush and then raised over some limpers IP with mid suited connectors, flopped trips and won an 1k pot vs an unknown villain. Has the wind at his back and is raising pretty wide, particularly in position. Will barrell multiple streets. Just lost 400 to BB when he raised pre then double barrelled post and folded to a turn check shove. Is riding the wave and wants to see every flop

BB (1100). Best player at the table. Young reg/pro who plays far bigger but has been crushed at the big PLO table in the past few months and has dropped down. Tight and Aggressive, picks his spots but also has lost his mojo during his downswing and has been less aggro than normal the past few weeks. Knows hero's game well and I'm happy he's on my right. Has already adjusted to Button's aggression and twice taken down medium sized pots


Hero is UTG and is dealt QhQd

Hero.... Bets $25

UTG, MP, Button, SB and BB all call.

Flop ($150) Qc7c7d. (BOOM! YAHTZEE!)

SB & BB check. Hero checks. Checks round to Button who bets $80

SB & BB fold.

Hero...?

Torn between raising and flatting. I like a flat since V has shown a history of barrelling, plus it allows MP to come along with any of his flush draws. If we flat and are HU ott I probably prefer a c/r on most turn cards depending on bet sizing from btn.

Conversely, I like a c/r since we can bloat the pot sooner to set up a turn jam vs a villain who hasn't been too fold-happy.

This is an interesting spot - now that I'm thinking it over I'm not so sure I've maximised similar spots when it's been me in OP's position.

Edit: No, I think I far prefer a c/r to something like 210. Btns range should include plenty of hands that are far more likely to call a c/r otf than ott - Qx, 7x and FDs. 250 ott and the rest of it otr. (Miscalculated stack sizes in original post so ignore turn jam in c/r argument above)

If he's just stabbing with air (not as likely given description), the best we're gonna do is one more bet on the turn if we just flat flop. Without doing any range calculations (on my phone/lazy) I'd hazard a guess that it'd be a higher EV to raise than flat. Math heads please weigh in here.

Flop: Bet ~$85. Checking is bad. We're almost 200bbs with everyone, we need to stack 7x (most likely from the blinds) and make the pot big for a flush draw. More PP are calling than betting. Lots of hands call, x/c deception lowers the potential ev so much and our range isnt even close to being perceived as nutted.

Bet AINEC.

As played: now you have to call hoping for overcalls from UT or MP. This sets up a turn situation that is so much less optimal than if we'd cb. sigh