the game is 5/5, 700 max. We are 9 handed.

It's 8pm Friday night and the table has been open for 90 minutes. It's reg-ish, with most players known by sight, if not with a huge number of hours played. All players bought in for at least 500 and there's been a lot of action already. The vibe is friendly and jokey and all relevant players seem comfortable in their surroundings and at this game.

To date, almost every pot has gone multiway, mainly 3 to 6 to the flop. Some have been limped, most have been raised. One or maybe two 3 bet pots so far. Most players have at least a decent idea of how to play the game and most are comfortable (and would prefer) to play post flop poker.

Standard raise is generally $25, albeit BB and MP have been opening to $15.

Hero (UTG) - $900. MAWG. I am a nit TAG and rarely get into big pots without strong holdings. But I am noisy and outgoing and like to engage the table in conversation, which (i think) makes villains think I raise and play wider than I do. Have won two medium sized pots, neither have got to showdown. The more interesting hand, I raised pre, got called by MP (who was in BB at time), then checked back flop, delayed c bet turn which got called and then raised river after MP lead into me.

UTG +1 (700). Decent young Asian player. On the nitty side, likes to see flops for cheap and play post flop poker. Has approx 10 hours with Hero, during which time he has almost almost shown down very strong hands, but has seen Hero bet/fold a lot.

MP (700). Good (but not great) MAAG reg who plays as high as 10/20. Has over 100 hours with Hero. Again, likes to play post flop and happy to see cheap flops or play multi way. Loves playing in position against Hero and will often float flop and try to take it away on turn and river. Will also often bet into multiple players when checked to post flop either heads up or multiway, when he has any kind of equity. But often shuts down after one street if his bet doesn't get through. (eg he led on KK5dd flop into PFR with 85cc then shut down on turn and river and lost to 1010). Rarely makes big mistakes, but isn't overly aggressive and rarely puts you in nasty spots.

Button (1500) Bought in for 500 and running hot. 30 ish white guy. Stacked MP with a boat vs nut flush and then raised over some limpers IP with mid suited connectors, flopped trips and won an 1k pot vs an unknown villain. Has the wind at his back and is raising pretty wide, particularly in position. Will barrell multiple streets. Just lost 400 to BB when he raised pre then double barrelled post and folded to a turn check shove. Is riding the wave and wants to see every flop

BB (1100). Best player at the table. Young reg/pro who plays far bigger but has been crushed at the big PLO table in the past few months and has dropped down. Tight and Aggressive, picks his spots but also has lost his mojo during his downswing and has been less aggro than normal the past few weeks. Knows hero's game well and I'm happy he's on my right. Has already adjusted to Button's aggression and twice taken down medium sized pots


Hero is UTG and is dealt QhQd

Hero....

won't spend too much time on pre flop but interested if anybody wants to limp/raise

Raise 25-30 plz

Open raise. 25-30

i wouldn't limp raise - seems pretty bad

I like 30

Sure.
Open to $25 here.
Generally cBetting all flops that are not Ace high or monotone when 3 ways to the flop or less. If we go 4 or more to the flop I'm going to bet all Q high flops or lower that are not monotone but probably check/decide on most A high and K high boards (with the tedency to fold unless it is MP betting the flop in which case I'm possibly never folding.)


I generally don't like limp/raising when we can't get a reasonable portion of our stack in pre as we generally allow people to play perfectly against our (normally) well defined range. Esp if we are seen as nitty, and that should give people warning when we limp in first to act. And given that a lot of the table likes to see cheap flops instead of pumping it up pre flop with large raises it becomes less likely that we can capture a large amount of dead money from weak hands and oversized raises.

Raise to $25-$30. UTG at a loose and aggressive table you want the high end of the normal range.

No reason to get exotic or fancy. If button is the sort to try and squeeze limped pots real wide then I might go for it some of the time. His description doesn't seem that aggressive.

Open to $25. L/RR isn't a bad option if you think BTN is gonna open for us AND the others are gonna limp behind rather than open.

Since that's a big overlay of scenarios I'd rather open QQ.

Just std open you ****ing kangaroo

Opt for standard being UTG... $30.

+1 for standard open to $25-$30.

Opening to 30 would be bad. We're only putting one more blind into the pot, and we're giving away information about the strength of out hand. Larger than standard UTG open from a nit is going to look transparent to anyone who has played with you and pays attention. Make the standard 25 open.

Given the table dynamics, and Hero's game, I'll avoid the obligatory l/r . Actually, I think l/r in the spot as described would be quite bad.

Obviously we're going to raise. Since I believe nobody respects preflop sizing tells, I'm inclined to raise a little bigger, but w/e.

$25-40.

If either UTG1 or UTG2 3b, I think we might setmine, but more likely just fold, depending on what button does.

I think we 4b/gii against button's 3b.

I think we can easily setmine or fold if BB 3b. Never 4b vs. BB as described as he probably never 3b [JJ-, AK-] against Hero as described.

Briefly thought about l/rr, but the table dynamic doesn't seem right. OOP, I want to get the SPR down as much as possible which neutralizes the effect (somewhat) of being OOP. You are a self-described nit opening UTG, they already know your range is strong, so no need to sugar coat the bet size and entice too many callers.

$35 sounds right

the game is 5/5, 700 max. We are 9 handed.

It's 8pm Friday night and the table has been open for 90 minutes. It's reg-ish, with most players known by sight, if not with a huge number of hours played. All players bought in for at least 500 and there's been a lot of action already. The vibe is friendly and jokey and all relevant players seem comfortable in their surroundings and at this game.

To date, almost every pot has gone multiway, mainly 3 to 6 to the flop. Some have been limped, most have been raised. One or maybe two 3 bet pots so far. Most players have at least a decent idea of how to play the game and most are comfortable (and would prefer) to play post flop poker.

Standard raise is generally $25, albeit BB and MP have been opening to $15.

Hero (UTG) - $900. MAWG. I am a nit TAG and rarely get into big pots without strong holdings. But I am noisy and outgoing and like to engage the table in conversation, which (i think) makes villains think I raise and play wider than I do. Have won two medium sized pots, neither have got to showdown. The more interesting hand, I raised pre, got called by MP (who was in BB at time), then checked back flop, delayed c bet turn which got called and then raised river after MP lead into me.

UTG +1 (700). Decent young Asian player. On the nitty side, likes to see flops for cheap and play post flop poker. Has approx 10 hours with Hero, during which time he has almost almost shown down very strong hands, but has seen Hero bet/fold a lot.

MP (700). Good (but not great) MAAG reg who plays as high as 10/20. Has over 100 hours with Hero. Again, likes to play post flop and happy to see cheap flops or play multi way. Loves playing in position against Hero and will often float flop and try to take it away on turn and river. Will also often bet into multiple players when checked to post flop either heads up or multiway, when he has any kind of equity. But often shuts down after one street if his bet doesn't get through. (eg he led on KK5dd flop into PFR with 85cc then shut down on turn and river and lost to 1010). Rarely makes big mistakes, but isn't overly aggressive and rarely puts you in nasty spots.

Button (1500) Bought in for 500 and running hot. 30 ish white guy. Stacked MP with a boat vs nut flush and then raised over some limpers IP with mid suited connectors, flopped trips and won an 1k pot vs an unknown villain. Has the wind at his back and is raising pretty wide, particularly in position. Will barrell multiple streets. Just lost 400 to BB when he raised pre then double barrelled post and folded to a turn check shove. Is riding the wave and wants to see every flop

BB (1100). Best player at the table. Young reg/pro who plays far bigger but has been crushed at the big PLO table in the past few months and has dropped down. Tight and Aggressive, picks his spots but also has lost his mojo during his downswing and has been less aggro than normal the past few weeks. Knows hero's game well and I'm happy he's on my right. Has already adjusted to Button's aggression and twice taken down medium sized pots


Hero is UTG and is dealt QhQd

Hero.... Bets $25

UTG, MP, Button, SB and BB all call.

Flop ($150) Qc7c7d. (BOOM! YAHTZEE!)

Hero....

Check and let MP do his thing imo.

ETA:
Although, if he likes to float, we might be better of betting out. But I think both are somewhat close.
The flop checking through isn't terrible as it might give more draws a chance to materialize, but it does limit our ability to get our stack in.
That would be tragic here.

I guess betting smallish (1/3 - 2/5 the pot) maybe best.

SB and BB checked?

I'd check flop mostly planning to c/c and lead turns.

It doesn't do us much good to bet and get Ax and Kx to fold when those hands could turn top pair and give us value. There isn't enough in ranges now to give us value when we bet for a lot of reasons - for starters, our range for opening UTG and c-betting 5-way is very strong, and we also block top pair like crazy. In addition, a turn club can gave V's strong club draws (and rarely a made flush), all sorts of cards can put out straight draws, another 7 can give people full houses you can Zeebo for stacks, etc. Let's give people a chance to make decent made hands as well as draws to strong made hands (and ideally make those hands!).

So not much good comes from betting, and a lot of good can come from checking. If you check and someone bets, let's see the action... like I said, I would generally want to c/c and then lead all turns.

If we c/c flop and then donk the turn doesn´t this just turn our hand faceup?

While my initial instinct was to C/C, but think I'd rather lead $65. A FD will call, AcXx may as well. There are 5 opponents, if no one has this (or similar) equity they will fold to our turn lead anyway. Might as well try to build multi-way.

If we have a betting tell, might be a good spot to use it.

I don't really think so. I think it confuses people and we actually get some lighter turn calls, at which point the pot is growing to our liking. But even if it does arouse suspicion, you do eventually need to take a line that gets chips in the pot vs. worse. I think c/c flop, lead turn is superior to lead flop for some of the reasons I mentioned. Flopping top boat on a paired board where the paired card is a 7 feels great, but it's not necessarily a cause for celebration in terms of our ability to get huge value. We have all the cards.

c/c

the only thing able to call us on this flop is 7x, the few Qx combos available and club flush draws. want to give Ax/Kx, middle SC, smaller PP a chance to catch up.

unless someone is (unlikely) holding AA or KK there is only 1 bad card in the deck for us, the case 7, assuming someone has 7x.

this hand has to get more interesting than this. 3rd best hand UTG, flop the nuts... turn and/or river is obv a 7.

I would almost always bet in a 6 way pot. I think we can get called by 7x obv as well as flush draws that aren't folding and possibly random pairs that put you on AK. I also think most villains at these stakes are more inclined to peel earlier in a hand than later in a hand. If I were going to check a street I think it would more likely be the turn.

Here's the thing about this flop; It should not be a scary flop at all for Hero.

So if this isn't a scary flop for Hero, then when we skip the cbet, the gig is up. The thinking players know where we're at as soon as Hero puts in a dime after checking. Given the table read, I don't think there are any players who would not be savvy enough to know that.

If Hero checks, the vast majority of the time, we'll get 1 bet from someone, or maybe two opponents, and then they shut down when Hero calls (or raises) or leads the turn (unless they hit a miracle 2 outer and boat up or 1 outer and quad up).

IMO, we need to cbet here with 100% of our range. A cbet here tells the villains nothing really because we should be cbetting 100% of the time. We can expect some calls even though this flop hits nobody.

So my plan, with $875 left, is:

1) cbet now a normal amount -- 1/2 to 2/3 pot. Should leave us with $775-800 left and a pot of $300-400.
2) Lead the turn for 1/4-1/3 pot. Should leave us with $675 or so and a pot of $500-600
3) This allows us to shove the river with a > PSB which should look bluffy.

Gotta bet here, AINEC. If you wanna seem a little worried about the 7, bet on the smaller side (1/2 pot), we can then check turn, and see if anyone is inclined to steal.

Lead flop for 2/3 pot, check turn is a great line here against your villain who loves floating.