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11-07-2015 , 01:47 AM
Your post hand analysis is good OP, and I agree that it's definitely an interesting hand to dissect. After taking in all the other comments, I think your flop/turn line is very good, and I agree that checking with the intention to call was probably the right play otr. Thanks for sharing
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11-07-2015 , 07:23 AM
Very interesting hand.

So after H x/r ott, what is the bottom of your range there FW?

Up to that point do you think that the line as taken should be the standard line? (I know, kind of a stupid question.)
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11-07-2015 , 07:56 AM
It is hard to extract value when you have the flop so utterly crushed. I think the river was a good card for you. If he had the case Q, he was calling. Same if he was slow playing AA or KK. A smaller pair would feel the pull of the Zeebo theorem. Nothing else was going to call. You would have had a better chance to collect on the river if you hadn't raised the turn, but you got the value on the turn with a chance on the river to get more.

I think his bluff range is near zero on the river. He didn't re-raise on the turn, which means he wants to get to show down. In no way does he think you bluff raised the turn.

Therefore, I like to shove on the river. In order for a smaller bet like $250 to be more profitable, he has to be twice as likely to call. A smaller bet would have had him tank longer, but most likely had the same result.
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11-07-2015 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
Very interesting hand.

So after H x/r ott, what is the bottom of your range there FW?

Up to that point do you think that the line as taken should be the standard line? (I know, kind of a stupid question.)
very interesting question - do I check raise there with KK and AA? I'll have to think about that some more. I mean, if I have KK and AA there, then villain has a lot more possible Queens

but I'm probably leading flop and turn for that reason. SO...as played, I'm not sure I do have a non boat check raise there

it's late in lolstraya, but I'll think on this and respond with more detail tomorrow
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11-07-2015 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Hero goes All In for $505. Button shouts "F***" and semi-tank folds.
Interesting hand man. Agree the river shove is a mistake, but it's sometimes pretty hard to figure that out in real-time. I have a feeling that BTN's response is genuine, but - to totally soul read his reaction - I think he's upset because he can't bluff you anymore (either you rivered a boat or you bluffed him first and his hand is too weak to call down). That is a total soul read, but yeah, I do think leading 75 is better than checking is way better than shoving yourself.
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11-07-2015 , 07:26 PM
Meh...

Hero's shove is $500. If V calls 20% of the time with something we beat, the net is $100.

Easily better then betting tiny unless we're quite sure V will raise with stuff we beat.

There are so few 7x hands to worry about.
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11-07-2015 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
Meh...

Hero's shove is $500. If V calls 20% of the time with something we beat, the net is $100.

Easily better then betting tiny unless we're quite sure V will raise with stuff we beat.

There are so few 7x hands to worry about.
Name a hand given how the action played out that the villain can have that's calling a river shove that we beat.

Lots of timing tells lead me to believe the villain has zero value hands in his range. Qx? No way. Turn is 7x, clubs or backdoored SD. And he's got way more mussed draws OTR that fold if we bet
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