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Snap call most rivers. I dont think it’s ****ty imo.

Unless he bets a river K/A, bc they are good cards for our ranges yet he still bets. Maybe a 10 if he bets might be bad too, but imo people really arent inclined to bluff SDV in general or straight draws if a card otr heavily favors our range, and will check a lot with sdv/bluffs and mostly only bet if they have us crushed IME overwhelmingly.

I estimate we’ll only be put in spots that are ****ty otr at most 5-12%. If an A, K, or 10 falls AND V bets into us, with both have pretty low probabilities

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02-15-2019 , 05:31 PM

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Phil Me Up

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Solid responses. Overall consensus so far seems to prefer a bet/check line to bet/bet. Continuing on . . .

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02-15-2019 , 05:36 PM

#28

wait

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Call sorry if you lost.

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02-15-2019 , 06:04 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Does this guy ever bluff? Is he bluffing 30% of the time? This is a giant brick. I'd have to call for 1/3 pot.

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02-15-2019 , 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Does this guy ever bluff? Is he bluffing 30% of the time? This is a giant brick. I'd have to call for 1/3 pot.

No idea. Sort of depends on how many gutshots/OE get to the river. Probably not many, but my sizing was small & board was dry, so he might call twice w/ KJ/KT, etc. That was my thinking process itm at least. Flip side is his sizing screams "call me", my blocker sucks, & most people don't bluff like this.

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02-15-2019 , 07:15 PM

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setintostraight

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Call, if only for information. Price is just too good.

If he has it, don't show and make a mental note.

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02-15-2019 , 07:29 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Does this guy ever bluff? Is he bluffing 30% of the time? This is a giant brick. I'd have to call for 1/3 pot.

We only need him to be bluffing around 20% of the time

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02-15-2019 , 07:31 PM

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Minatorr

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I guess i call since we beat some spazzes and block bet with weaker Qx or who knows some random PP but expect to lose a lot

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02-15-2019 , 07:43 PM

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lalaLove

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You need very solid reads to be able to fold river. It’s such a disaster to let a bluff get through here for this sizing. Vs unknowns we can expect some degree of bad play and erratic decision making during hands so that combined with the price we are getting makes it a very easy call.

If we decided to fold QJ here to 1/3 psb it would really be as an exploit and we just don’t have the reads yet for that.

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02-16-2019 , 07:54 AM

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Badreg2017

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I played almost this exact same hand today. Exact same hole cards, same flop, brick diamond turn, V leads brick river really small. I would check turn though in your hand but if he’s really sticky or wide pre it’s fine.

I called and I would call if I were you but it’s a crappy spot.

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02-16-2019 , 09:26 AM

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momo_uk

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Disgusting river spot.

From my experience, you get shown a slowplayed 9x+ a ton here if the V has even half a brain.

This sizing is just never a bluff from most 1/3 players.

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02-16-2019 , 10:20 AM

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CRAIerrday

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A little late to the party, but I would check flop most of the time, after betting flop I would check back turn to bluffcatch or bet most rivers, and AP I think the river is a fold.

The check/call flop, check/call turn, lead river is just such a strong line, because V probably doesn’t expect you to fold after showing aggression on every street of the hand. I’ve seen more and more people taking this line in the past few months and it’s almost always been nutted. Plus in this case we block JT and some of his flush draws. So I would let it go without thinking too much about it.

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02-16-2019 , 11:28 AM

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TheSamasaurus

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I'm checking flop

Yes you should bet marginal hands for protection but the board is paired and players can easily have 9s here meaning your essentially drawing dead. If the board was 3 unpaired cards your never in awful shape so betting for protection is much more reasonable. Your either a bit ahead of way behind here, its better to control pot... Look at what happened... Villian put in one small 1/3 size pot bet and your borderline folding

AP I'm checking turn seems clear

AP I'm folding river against some random nitty dude but calling against anyone who seems LAG.

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02-16-2019 , 05:26 PM

#39

Phil Me Up

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Good points raised by both the call & fold river contingents. Not surprised to see it's not so cut-and-dried & opinion is relatively split. Results:

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02-18-2019 , 12:25 PM

#40

DonkeyRock

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Like hand as played. Probably checking river if not lead into.

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