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Old 12-30-2016, 09:33 PM   #26
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

80 feels good. Feels like his range is heavily weighted to AK, he might be looking to CRAI, as your passive line pre takes out the top two sets, and your passive line post weights your range to combo draws and Qxdd.

I don't think he's pot controlling here; he's trying to induce.

Another good line is to check back turn and shove blank rivers. AK hero calls a lot imo.


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Old 12-30-2016, 09:45 PM   #27
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

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Old 12-30-2016, 10:21 PM   #28
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

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Why?
No 4! likely means he doesn't have KK+. Or at least minimizes the likelihood he has super premiums. We should expect QQ-99/AK and can play accordingly in position.

More importantly, the small raise reduces the chances of callers behind us.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:23 PM   #29
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No 4! likely means he doesn't have KK+. Or at least minimizes the likelihood he has super premiums. We should expect QQ-99/AK and can play accordingly in position.

More importantly, the small raise reduces the chances of callers behind us.
Why do we want him to fold out the worst parts of his range?...
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:25 PM   #30
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Hero Calls $12, V2 Calls $12.

Pot:$35
Flop: A 3 Q

V1 Checks, Hero?
Bet. The PFR checked. There is no one to check to and plan to check-raise.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:27 PM   #31
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Why do we want him to fold out the worst parts of his range?...
It's more important the others players fold behind us. That is the priority, imo. A bonus is we have a better sense of his range. I would agree hero should call if we didn't have two limpers behind.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:32 PM   #32
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

The Asian kid tilts me.

Just bet whatever IP has behind and let the kid figure out what he wants to do with his nut low line... or just shove so you don't have a fractional stack behind otr
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:59 PM   #33
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

I would 3! small pre, C/C flop as you did and bet turn to ~$85.
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Old 12-30-2016, 11:09 PM   #34
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Bet 50, V is most likely drawing to 3 outs on the turn and at best 10 outs here so price him in, he's never folding to 50 and may be committed by the river with Ax.
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Old 12-31-2016, 02:01 PM   #35
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

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Hero calls, V2 folds
Pot: $111
Board: A 3 Q 8

V1 checks, hero?
Hero Checks

Pot $111
Board A 3 Q 8 2

V1 Bets $35, Hero?
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Old 12-31-2016, 02:34 PM   #36
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

raise, do not fold to a shove, sorry you got coolered
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Old 12-31-2016, 02:36 PM   #37
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

What happened in this hand?
I can't even...


Raise to $100 I guess.
Then redo most of the hand.
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Old 12-31-2016, 02:38 PM   #38
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Make it $130, if he's going to call a raise, go for fat value. Anything under $100 is criminal.
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Old 12-31-2016, 03:05 PM   #39
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What happened in this hand?
I can't even...


Raise to $100 I guess.
Then redo most of the hand.
2016 in a nutshell
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Old 12-31-2016, 04:44 PM   #40
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

No idea why hero checked back the turn. Criminal.

Raise the river. I'm going to laugh if villain shows 54s.
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Old 12-31-2016, 05:42 PM   #41
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Concur with raising the river. Villain can easily put us on busted diamonds so I'd expect to get value out of AK/AJ type of hands.
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Old 12-31-2016, 06:24 PM   #42
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Bet turn , raise river


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Old 12-31-2016, 10:15 PM   #43
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

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Hero Checks

Pot $111
Board A 3 Q 8 2

V1 Bets $35, Hero?
Hero raises to $120, V calls (results in white) KK

While I think the flop call is at least SOMEWHAT defensible, the turn check was bad. At the time, my reasoning was that I felt V might be able to range me on diamonds, a weak A or a Q. It was poor reasoning and I just wanted to verify with this PAHWM.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:53 PM   #44
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Pre is villain-dependent. Against this guy, it sounds like flatting is fine. If his range is KJo+ and he folds the bottom portion of it to a 3b, I'd 3b a polarized range and keep AQ in our calling range. There's certainly an argument to be made for a 3b though.

I'm ok with the flop call. It's too easy for too much of his range to fold to a c/3b. If he has AK, we can stack him on most runouts anyway.

Definitely betting turn, since in addition to obv going for value, he's already shown he can be the aggressor on one street & c/r the next one.

As played, wp on river.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:41 AM   #45
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Hero raises to $120, V calls (results in white) KK

While I think the flop call is at least SOMEWHAT defensible, the turn check was bad. At the time, my reasoning was that I felt V might be able to range me on diamonds, a weak A or a Q. It was poor reasoning and I just wanted to verify with this PAHWM.
What do we do if villian c/r our turn bet?
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Old 01-01-2017, 04:15 AM   #46
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

Preflop can go either way between calling and 3 betting. Folding is not an option.

Postflop, bet/call flop with intention of calling down/value betting future streets when checked to. Checking back turn is bad in general, but probably ended up making more money against villain's specific holding. Then again, after seeing results and villain's flop and river play, he might have called a turn bet anyways.

Hero misplayed the hand on the turn (rest of hand is fine), but villain played it much worse.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:34 PM   #47
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

He raised the flop with KK? You checked the turn with AQ? He called a river raise with KK? WTF! I need to stop grinding online and play live.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:49 PM   #48
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Re: PAHWM out of the big blind

What's PAHWM stand for?? I googled it and looked it in the acronyms. Can't find
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:50 PM   #49
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What's PAHWM stand for?? I googled it and looked it in the acronyms. Can't find
Play a hand with me
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