Pot is wrong. I x range here.

I don’t really think we should have a donking range here.

Check and rip if V will bet/fold AK, c/c otherwiseÂ…unless it goes bet-call then rip and ride the variance train.

I am completely against betting here. A well-sized raise can force you off your hand, or go all-in as a 2:1 dog. This is not to say I don't bet draws, but this spot isn't one of them.

We don't fold even if V1 shoves.

Short of a miracle flop, this is as good as we can hope for.

I'm checking my entire range here.

Unless V1 makes some dumb bet of 15-20 and drags V2 along, I'm CRAI. I'm not going to call a bet of 30+, put in 60+ of a 180 stack to fold a bad turn, and shipping gives us some small FE plus actual equity of 30-50% depending on V1's holding. If V has KK, we're basically flipping with a bunch of dead money, and against QQ we still have ~30%.

If V1 makes a bet and V2 goes AI, not the best spot, but, still shipping it based on the odds.

now is the perfect spot for that new trend of 1/3 pot donk betting

Bet $1, and he raises, shove

Since there isn't much posting, we'll move on.

Hero checks the flop, V1 bets $50, V2 calls and action is back to Hero. Fold, call or raise. If raising, how much?

Oh I just shove now. We have enough equity with our club outs to the nuts, back door SD and heck our A could still be live. The pot is big and we don’t need much FE.

You check shove, that's it.

Against a range of QQ+, you ve got 38% equity. If you shove 150 in what ends being a 383 pot, you need 39% equity. Add even a smidge of bluffs he may have and the smidge of times he will fold better and it's a winning play.

My first reaction was to shove. I went back to check player descriptions and the stack sizes first. After reading that, I believe both players will call. So, yea.

Shove.

Hand is fine so far, now shove.

Shove. It's not exactly a happy shove but your getting good enough odds on the nut flush draw to make it +EV. Any remaining other outs you have is just improving your profits.

Thanks everyone for your responses. As played I shoved. V1 folded and V2 called with a pair of 9s. I bricked out and lost the hand.

Was somewhat surprised V1 folded especially since he folded in the previous hand. I suspect he had AK and thought he could just push two old guys out of the hand. V2's initial comment was, "That was stupid of him to think he could push me out of the hand." I don't like watching people stacking chips from a pot I lost so I wasn't paying much attention. However, he was sitting next to a player that was a bit more knowledgeable. I didn't see an exchange but after a minute or so, V2 came back with, "You've played before, haven't you?"

I see these guys often. Used to hate them, now I'm OK with them. Not one of them has ever shown me that they understood the math in the game.

I am surprised ATs is a fold when playing the A game. Are you guys saying this is a fold because it is effectively 36BB? Or are you folding ATs in UTG if there was no straddle? 7-handed I would find it hard to not open in EP.

ATs is a fold from OOP because it's a hand that really only plays well multi-way and for the nut flush. Flopping an A is often outkicked and flopping a T will frequently run into two-pair. Hence why it's referred to as a RIO (reverse implied odds) hand.

It's for these reasons I advocated a call from the SB to see what developed. The case for raising was made in the thread, which has its own advantages - I just didn't agree in this spot.

Well it isn't. They're being nits. No way this hand isn't a marginally profitable open. I'd also open A9s-A8s, A5s but more open to arguing about that.

With a button straddle? Aren't we first up PF, in that situation? Or is this a button straddle where it goes as normal with UTG first to act, but hops over the button when it's her normal turn pre?

I'm just confused. I've only played with UTG straddles.

I should have been clearer. I gave the standard explanation, which does apply a lot, if not most of the time. However, as Hero's post-flop play, knowledge of poker math, knowledge of his opponents and hand reading skills improve, a lot of hands become profitable that previously weren't.

Fold pre due to being so short

Donk shoving that flop 100% and feeling great about it. Never checking, or targeting a Crai. Maximize FE right here.

SB acts first pf with a button straddle in this room.

I don't typically post in 1/2 threads cuz I don't play it (thus not familiar sizing, stack off thresholds, etc.), plus I like to contain all my obviously AIDSy posts in 1/3 threads. But just cuz it's V...

I fold preflop. We're just 36bb effective and OOP. This is all about making sure we can either (a) overlimp with speculative stuff in position for cheap or (b) getting in money ASAP by whatever means with big hands. ATs is simply too marginal to setup commitment spots for me, especially when we have no information yet on what everyone else has. For Axs, I probably need AQs here. And since table is raisey, there is just no way we're going to get in for cheap by limping (which I would lean to with bigger stacks). So I bail now.

I think I also bail to the min-checkraise. Obviously getting a great immediate price, but we basically need to smash this flop before we're comfortable with continuing, and are often going to compound mistakes otherwise. The end result of us getting in a hugenormous 1/6 of our stack with this hand OOP just 3ways is a massive error, imo, and is basically what I'm banking my opponents on doing.

On the flop, I'm either/or. An open ship might look a little more drawy, but then we might not have much FE to any remaining stack by check/shoving. Think I lean to open shipping.

GcluelessAIDSpostingnoobG