CO isn't going to check/raise premiums here. With only 1 player to act. Really hard to understand the meta game between the 2 of you. But to me it looks like he has weak hand he was contemplating taking a stab with.


Our range is likely considered wide and uncapped. I lean towards a bet about 1/2 pot. With plan to barrel most turns. Getting blown off our draw would suck, but a bet here just wins pot so often it is +EV for sure.

Not a fan of small bet to induce. To much behind and we have equity I want to utilize.

But you are correct. You can profitably play this hand multiple ways on both flop and preflop.

Also without a read on HJ. You can definitely make a case for folding pre. But I wouldn't have.

People are pretty nutted when they raise at low-stakes so like (JJ-99,9x7x,77,44,AsJy,AsQs-AsTs,As8s,As6s,As4s-As2s,JsTs,8s6s) (I had him 3-betting A5s pre-, but AsJy in their because lol live poker) while you are like 60-40 against this range with the SPR being so high you don't really have the equity to stack-off by GII so you will have to call any normal sized raise and fold any non-spade K or Q turn (assuming he sets up a river jam). with that said betting will get the field to fold their air and set up profitable spots to barrel them off their weak ranges, but we are not thrilled to get raised.

Edit: honestly I should take out 9x7x, and JJ,TT as they prob bet flop to protect/get value, in that same vain V prob stabs with some NFDs as well...so against (99,77,44,AsJy,AsTs,As8s,As6s,As4s-As2s,JsTs) you are a 70-30 dog...

I would never fold pre in this situation.

On flop, I'm torn between checking and betting half pot-plus. This flop hits our range more than theirs, but I'd hate to get 3bet. We don't know OR, and he might just be waiting for a bet from someone to raise over -- and LJ or CO could be doing the same.

In game, I think I flat and take my free card, although from my computer I like a bet.

$60 on flop despite the live read.

I'd expect to have fold equity vs. PFR hands like AJ+, as well as isolating ip.

Evaluate if raised … who and sizing.

I'm kind of surprised at the number of posters advocating a bet around the half the pot. If you were one of the other players in the hand, wouldn't you regard that as a weak bet? Wouldn't that encourage you to check-raise any holding that you felt had decent equity? I'm not clear on why a half-pot sized bet is better than checking and taking the free card.

This is probably a huge leak in my own game, and so I'd really appreciate some insights. With two overcards and a flush draw, I'd probably bet in the vicinity of $100 into the 5-way pot. My thinking is that I'm plausibly representing an overpair or better, and so I'd have decent fold equity. When just called, I'd figure that I probably had 15 outs (though I'd be wary of running into AXs) and lots of options on the turn. If raised, I'd re-evaluate what to do (fold, call, shove) depending on what the action looked like when it got back to me.

Most likely can provide the same result for a lower investment. Does your player pool include those who would C/R oop with hands like AQ/T8?

Additionally, over pairs except for maybe TT, are probably not in the Hero's range since he's likely 3b JJ+. If you had 99/77/97s would you bet 80% pot when checked to?

Late to party. Mixed strat preflop. If we were deeper or OOP I would default to 3bet. Don't hate calling but decision would mainly be game flow dependent.

If both blinds are donk happy on these types of boards then I would check back. If not I think we have the green light to clear out the riff raff. BDSD potential to go along with our hand.

If this range is for the CO only, I think you should take out the sets and also AsJy, as I feel that if CO were going to get out of line with that sort of hand he would be inclined to 3bet it preflop, not wait for a 5way flop to try something. I think maybe big combo draws should be in there as well though...I see you left in JsTs--are we not including 6s5s? Or the gappers like T8, 86?

OK, I guess it's time for next action.

With two limp/callers who I thought were checking almost anything to the raiser (not to mention the aggressive CO, although I don't know if they know how aggressive he is), plus my read on the CO, I decided that this would be a good time to take a free card. I could see betting here, with the intention of folding to a raise from anyone but the CO and shoving over the CO, but I figured it would also be good to check, see a turn, and have one or two more streets to use my position.

Effective stacks are $800.

Preflop ($7): One limp from EP, one limp from LJ, HJ raises to $25, CO calls.

Hero is on the button with KQ.

Hero calls.

Both blinds fold and both limpers call.

Flop (125 in pot, 775 effective stacks): 9 7 4

Everyone checks to Hero.

Hero checks.

Turn (125 in pot, 775 effective stacks): 9

EP, LJ, HJ check. CO bets 90.

Hero...

You think he liked the flop and now he bets a paired board into four people? I probably just let it go. We could have 15 outs and we could be way behind -- plus we still have three players behind us.

Fold, not getting a good price and outs may not be clean.

OP's read is that CO is playing something pretty speculative. AX would probably be a 3bet pre by villain. If he had 9x he would have bet the flop. I doubt 77 or 44 check the flop either.

What does OP's live read mean? "Really liked the flop" could be a monster draw in its own right like T8, 86 or 65. If we were prepared to bet the flop but chose not to because of OP's read and can rule out 9x and sets than seems like a call.

If our 15 outs are live we're getting 2.4:1 and will hit our hand 2:1. Now we need the rest of the table to comply and not x/r. I don't love a call but can certainly get behind it, though the threat of a K-hi hero call on river bricks looms large.

Fold fold fold.

Not getting odds to draw, maybe drawing dead? Easy fold.

It's a fold here against most opponents. Villain can be making a move but your draw isn't that awesome and you could be crushed.

If your read on CO is such that he never checks a 9X+ hand on the flop and wouldn't bet a weak made hand on the turn you might be able to pin his range at draws and make a move. But few opponents are that predictable. If you do want to make a move you need to raise now to something like $300. If you are going to stay in this hand you need to make it real expensive for villain to stick around with AsXs that win when you both miss.

Hand’s over, can’t get more than a single bet otr when you hit flush and your bluffs would never contain either of these two cards.
Good luck w the comeback.

What are we repping? If this is thinking opponent. He already knows we are not checking back a 9 or sets at high rate.

Not the spot to punt.

Fold.

In addition, this seems like a rather mundane hand. Unless you did something spewy like raise the turn, I'm confused why this would have been a memorable hand for you after all this time.

this isn't interesting

only questionable spot is the flop, probably should bet with your image, bad turn, next hand

turn id just fold, can be drawing dead a decent amount or near dead

One of the very interesting things about live poker is how profitable cold calling is. (I have 0%cold calling range online). I’ve thought a lot about this over the years and my game has ebbed and flowed with aggression / passivity but I’m pretty confident calling produces higher ev than 3betting most of the time live with medium value but nut making hands like TT or KQs. There are a number of possible reasons why, but I think it mostly has to do with shorter effective stacks relative to open size...the high vpip of live players, and the extremely low fold-to-3b frequencies that you experience live.

I would 3bet here almost always personally...but I think I used to make more money when I knew much less about poker and would happily flat my KQs bc my 3b range was like 3%.

online you just don't see two open limps and there are some different mathematical dynamics going on

i haven't played online cash NLHE in several years but I totally agree with Avarita. Back in the day this is a 100% 3bet but it's mostly because VPIPs are so much lower online than live. Nobody has time in live poker single-tabling to sit there for several hours and fold every hand. Online, people were playing up to 24 tables, but almost everyone plays at least 4, so VPIPs get a lot lower and we lose value when we don't re-raise pre

in live poker we have more players to flops, more bluffing shenanigans, and I like flatting better pre as our hand performs well 4way, I'm comfortable flatting around 75-80% of the time and reraising 20-25 but flipping a coin seems fine too

flop i think is roughly the same scenario. I would bet this flop 100% of the time online but live poker I think we should check for value more often, I don't mind flipping a coin there but also it depends on my image

Sorry for not being quicker with next action.

I'm honestly somewhat surprised at the sheer volume of posters who are saying I should fold because I could be drawing dead here. I tried to give reads on the CO and it seems like only johnny and kimoser are trying to use them.

In-game, I thought the only way I could be drawing dead is if one of the limp/callers checked a monster twice. I actually thought the CO was probably weak here. johnny summed up my thought process pretty well, although he includes one point I didn't think of. I was almost 100% sure that the CO would have bet the flop with any set or 97s (the only 2 pair hand he could have), and I was also fairly confident he would bet the flop with 9x.

The only questions in my mind were: 1) whether someone else had a big hand--which I thought very unlikely given their turn checks--and 2) whether the CO had a nut flush draw, which is more or less the only hand that makes sense for him to have that I really don't want to see. I sort of also thought that he would bet a nut flush draw on the flop. I didn't think of johnny's point that I should de-weight Ax because he might have used those hands for light 3betting preflop.

So anyway, I chose to call, hoping everyone else would fold and I would get to see a river in position against the CO. That is in fact exactly what happened (so I'll switch to calling him "Villain" now as he's the only Villain left).

Effective stacks are $800.

Preflop ($7): One limp from EP, one limp from LJ, HJ raises to $25, Villain calls.

Hero is on the button with KQ.

Hero calls.

Both blinds fold and both limpers call.

Flop (125 in pot, 775 effective stacks): 9 7 4

Everyone checks to Hero, Hero checks.

Turn (125 in pot, 775 effective stacks): 9

EP, LJ, HJ check, Villain bets 90, Hero calls 90, everyone else folds.

River (305 in pot, 685 behind): A

Villain bets 200, Hero...

So since almost everyone said to fold the turn, and I expect that people's first reaction here will be "don't compound your mistake, just fold now", let me at least share some of my own reads here.

I think this is that once-in-a-blue-moon spot at LLSNL: a leveling war between two regs where each of us is putting the other on a weak range. So I think I have 3 potentially valid options here:

1) Don't worry about getting fancy and just fold.
2) Call the 200 because Villain has total air often enough to give me pot odds on a call with king high.
3) Ship over the 200 to try to get Villain to fold all his bluffs, including 7x or some other random pair that he thinks he's turning into a bluff but is actually the best hand.

Thoughts?

No idea. Leveling wars are hard interpret I would have preferred a raise on turn if you felt he was weak. Even though we rep nothing.

This is an at-table read and we can't really help you. If you have that good of a read on the guy, and he'll fold a pair, by all means shove. If you think K high is good, call.