Villain: Played with him for 60-90 minutes. Young Asian white-collar pro (like career professional, not poker). Seems to do a lot of button clicking. He called a 50bb blind jam w/ 98s from the BTN. Open raises liberally from mid to late position. Have seen him limp/call AQo from UTG. Also have seen him limp then call a 3bet from EP with AA. Have seen him make really light river calls, like with a single pair on 4 to straight runout.

Relevant history with Hero:

Hero opens A5 UTG, V calls in BB. Flop comes 467. V donks into me & I just flat, 2 others fold, HU. Turn is a blank 8 and I just flat his donk again. River's a 7 and he checks. I bet like 1/4 pot and he tank calls and mucks.

Then, Hero isos 7x with AT over a bunch of limps and V calls. Flop's K86, V check calls. Turns an Ax, V check calls again. River's a 6x and V check raises now and hero folds.
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5/5 ~$1650 eff.

V opens in either UTG+1 or 2 to $25. Hero's next to act and sees KT

Don’t like either of the history hands

Fold

Some reasoning, matzah.

Just fold. And check back second hand OTR given in hand history.


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Limited nut potential this deeps and poor position drains the value from this as a call to the point where folding is best. You're rarely going to make the best TP hand and can get stuck in a hurry, that is, if you see a flop in the first place. That said, most will call, especially if they feel card dead.

Call.

I’m with the fold crowd as well given bad position. If we have KTs on bu or co then sure let’s call.

But, for the sake of the hand let’s call. Although a case can be made to 3b


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I mean strictly speaking folding is fine, but this is live poker where people don't 3-bet enough, we are deep with a reasonable hand vs a villain who does not play well, and what's the point of the thread if we fold?

I wouldn't 3-bet, the positions are too early for that.

Thanks. I had the same thoughts while making my pf decision. I also didn't like that he opened 5x, vs the 4x the table had been using. This normally would be a fold for me. Since this is a post, I decided against it. I've been trying to open up my game when deeper, but can see how there are much better hands for it. When I decided to play it, it was really to hit 2p+/monster draw. TP flops, I'd likely go for as cheap a showdown as possible. Maybe call one street, two if bets were minuscule.

I don’t disagree with calling if the table is very passive, but too weak to 3-bet and calling leaves hero very vulnerable to aggression.


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Hand 1: gotta get more value out of this
Hand 2: river bet probably too thin

Here I prefer fold because lots of people behind us and we’re easily dominated. Calling isn’t crazy since we’re deep (and 3bets are rare as said above) but overall I think just folding is better

I think Ah5h hand is fine except river sizing. Just bet 1/2 PSB or something. no reason to bet so small here imo.

for the PAHWM, i honestly just fold here. i know we are deep, in position against some bad rec who can spew. but this hand is too weak to just be calling from EP.

i guess if we think we will get squeezed behind a very low % of the time, it might be ok. but imo EP it's too weak.

fwiw i think i have a wider pre flop range that most here. and i understand the desire to play more hands, vs weaker players when we are deep (i frequently play in games that play like 300+ BB deep). but EP spots like this are marginal at best.

if we are gonna play it, call is prob better than 3bet.

How many players at the table?

9

Anyways, let's get to the flop. Hero shoves and V calls


No... Wait....

5/5 ~$1650 eff.

V opens in either UTG+1 or 2 to $25. Hero's next to act and sees KT

Hero calls $25, BTN calls, one of the blinds call. 4 way to the flop.

$99

K T 7

X, V $80, Hero?

My first instinct was fold but I think I can be talked into a call based on this reasoning. Shallower, or against a better player, I think this is a fold, but bad player + deep I can be convinced to play a bit looser IP.

The AT hand is fine if this guy is really button clicking. It's too thin against an average player, but against a button clicker we can get 3-streets with top pair.

Hero raises to $350.

Raise to $250


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200-250 looks good.

Call or raise both fine, call seems best though

I could see either but want to deny him from realizing his draw equity on this board, which is relatively wet. Plus there are a lot of K combos we beat that call the raise here.


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Kyrie says the Earth is...

Seriously this. Very weird bet.

OTTH, Think it's a fold pre.

I'd raise fairly strong OTF, something around 300.

Call or raise are both fine on the flop. I lean towards raising in this case, since villain is incredibly loose-passive and has shown the tendency to make light calldowns. $250.

Id fold pre, you dont have good position, and will end up getting it going several ways, and KTs isnt that exciting. The V sounds exciting enough to be willing to spend so money, and Im not too worried about how early his raise is since he is button clicking, but id be more inclined to call his raise if he raised from UTG+1 and it folded to me on CO/BTN, or hell even maybe if I was in the BB, because i wouldnt be too happy with KTs in a multiway pot, OOP to others, where you are getting squeezed by a cbet. Like, look at exactly what happened, you got 2 other people in the pot, but you gotta decide whether to raise with your value hand and blow everyone else off the pot.

OTF, very clear raise, calling is super bad, the board is wet as all hell, you should get a lot of calls to your raise, and if he 3 bets you are happy to GII since he is prolly bad enough to GII with AA/AK, and you have blockers against KK/TT. Two more to act means youre perfectly happy if it folds around because you mightve forced a FD or SD to fold.

Yes, it was weird. It was another 1/4 pot river bet. Was trying to squeeze something out of a bluffcatch since clubs bricked, like with second pair or something. I've seen him call down super light. I realize it's thin... perhaps too much so, but I've been getting good results doing the same vs non-regular players over the past month or so. Lucky to have call boxes in my player pool.