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10-16-2015 , 06:29 PM
2/5

stacks
hero 1400-1450
V1 1350-1400
V2 600


reads
V1- 40's asian guy
played a lot with both v2 and hero, has been a big heater the last month and is just playing wild. can get pretty sticky and doesn't mind to bet or afraid of big money bets.
preflop will call with ATC for almost anything if there is value.
will peel flop with just about anything if the price is right
can bet draws/air and is very capable of making moves

V2- 50's asian guy
will call very wide preflop, will peel flop with just about anything from bottom pair to a gut-shot overall a losing playing

hero- 30's white guy
been playing TAG,have worked my stack up too 1400 playing pretty straight forward,probably noted as playing a little tighter than usual.
V1 know hero is a decent player


The hand

utg-straddles for 20
v1 in utg+1 calls
2 player cold calls the straddle
Mp player goes all in for 35
v2 calls the 20 then get told that it is 35 calls
hero is on button with KK
Hero ?????
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10-16-2015 , 06:42 PM
135
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10-16-2015 , 07:03 PM
Unclear if 130 or 150 in pot when it gets back to you but PSR is 165-185. I would make it a cool 200 or even 250 to push the callers' set mining odds below 8:1. You can get away with bombing here against V1 according to your read
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10-16-2015 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
Unclear if 130 or 150 in pot when it gets back to you but PSR is 165-185. I would make it a cool 200 or even 250 to push the callers' set mining odds below 8:1. You can get away with bombing here against V1 according to your read
This
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10-16-2015 , 10:14 PM
If we have a villain who will stack off with TPTK, and TPsecondTK, and all sets then we have 9 combos of hands that we lose to, and 24 combos of hands that we beat (maybe 18 if KK blocks some of the seond best top pair hands, whatever.)

So we shouldn't really be thinking about destroying his ability to set mine.
We should be thinking about the biggest fat value raise pre flop that we can put in that he will call. This isn't protection against set mining, this is raping his stack for tons of equity against his crappy range.

Same end result, but different thought process.

$150 - $170 seems decent here depending on what sort of money you've seen villain put in before
If he has called $100 with KTs and 87s because it flops well, then we should tend to raise bigger here, but if he normally folding to the $100+ bets pre flop, then our bet is going to look pretty strong and we might lose him too often if we go 150+.
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10-16-2015 , 10:51 PM
there was a lot of banter about the straddle and that I was on the button and will punish the limpers( I have done this a lot in the past sometimes with big hands other times will SC/trashier hands)
I decided to raise to 135 as I felt that I might get 1 caller out of the table, there was a decent chance that I might be able to take it down right now.
On a side not about 40 minutes before this hand I had KK on the button and was betting hard, so I can see people thinking I an FOS as the preflop action was nearly identical.

hero raise to 135
all fold to V1 UTG+1 who calls
V2 in LP to my right also called

POT 500

FLOP 279

V1 bets out 250
V2 calls
HERO ??????
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10-17-2015 , 03:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
Unclear if 130 or 150 in pot when it gets back to you but PSR is 165-185. I would make it a cool 200 or even 250 to push the callers' set mining odds below 8:1. You can get away with bombing here against V1 according to your read
A PSR is $35(our call)+$192 (size of pot after we call)=$227

+1 to a PSR, or even bigger if V1 will call regardless.
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10-17-2015 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by winadil
hero raise to 135
all fold to V1 UTG+1 who calls
V2 in LP to my right also called

POT 500

FLOP 279

V1 bets out 250
V2 calls
HERO ??????
Given we have the K, I like a small raise to around $600 to trap everyone. Plan is to close my eyes and shove all turns (not sure about an ace).

Calling and shoving are good options also. Though, one of these guys can easily be drawing to 2-5 outs and I would hate to give him an excuse to fold.

Call, shove turn might be the best option IDK.
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10-17-2015 , 05:33 AM
I like shoving here. Makes you look like you have a bigger draw range and in V eyes more likely to have AK

Imho
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10-17-2015 , 02:09 PM
hero calls

POT 1250

Turn 7

V1 shoves for 950-980
v2 calls for about 250-300
hero ?????
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10-17-2015 , 02:48 PM
Coming late to this:

PF: I raise ~175-200. (I see that you did 135: this seems a bit small, and invites more callers than you might want. There's a good chunk of dead $$ in the pot, and I'd be stoked to get this HU...).

Flop: After the bet and call, the pot is close to our stack size (1K vs. 1250). I like a shove here because

1) we're probably ahead and can get calls from QQ-TT (given the pf action, AA seems unlikely, so yay).
2) we can scoop the big pot and not give villains good odds to draw to the flush / overs

Turn: Given that we've flubbed 2/2 actions so far, we're lucky to still be in an easy spot. I put it all in.

I mean, V1 is perfectly capable of making this play with FD or QQ-TT, etc., and V2 is capable of calling with a 9, FD, QQ-TT, etc. (and it's a short call from V2, mind you: so even if we lose to him and beat V1, we still come out okay on the hand. Not ideal, but still an okay outcome if we're wrong about V2)
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10-18-2015 , 01:52 AM
Shove flop with low SPR.

As played not folding turn.
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10-18-2015 , 04:57 AM
I snap fistpump call and do a little dance. This is the turn action we were hoping to induce when we just called the flop, right?
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10-18-2015 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
I snap fistpump call and do a little dance. This is the turn action we were hoping to induce when we just called the flop, right?
As played, +1.

I prefer raise flop to just call, but, as played, can't fold now.
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10-19-2015 , 03:18 AM
Well i thought about it for a good minute or so and called.
Soon as i called he asked if i had kings
River was a Q and he mucks saying he had A9o other v was on flush draw(so he claimed but to be honest could if been anything)
Was the biggest pot i ever won so was pretty happy.
Was thinking about the day after there was 2 things that I should of thought of
1. Was the donk bet from v as i did 3 bet and there was a decent chance that i cbet this flop hard. So if he had a big hand he would check/raise me a lot here.
2. Was the fact that i just called the flop kinda under repped my hand here and made him try to push the action.

It was kinda funny the next day this hand played out almost the exact same way me on the button with kk and v1 with A8 on 9c8c3h3s board after i 3bet
This tine thought river was an ace.
Pot was only 350
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10-19-2015 , 03:33 AM
Bad advice in the thread on the sizing pre. This is still a 2/5 game, there is no indication that these players will put in 200$ no sweat. Make it 150-170 as IRTM suggested, we want to get a call or two and win a huge pot.

I'd just close my eyes and shove flop. He will have a set sometimes.
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