OK you friggin' nits. Here's what happened.

Hero loves to win dead money uncontested and unraked whenever possible so he used his suited K (blocking KK and AK) to 3! squeeze to $90. Personally, I don't think this hand is good enough to flat but it is definitely a good bluff candidate. I thought it was likely to get through given the original raise size and so many flatters, none of whom could be that strong. Just had to get through V1.

Original raiser flats (...), everyone else folds. Pot $218. V has about $175 behind.

Flop: 8-5-3ss. Hero?

Looooool. Is this an argument for checking dark every time when oop?

Shove turn. Now an even stupider hand.

Check the classifieds.

check/fold. He's never folding an over pair. You're goal was to fold everyone out pre, and it didn't work so since you had no plan and you're now lost in the hand just fold.

Grunch, just call your getting great odds with a decent hand to defend multi-way, bloating the pot OOP with a non-premium multiway is burning money at 2-5, IMHO...you would have to make a large 3-bet to get the pot heads-up or take it down pre- so picking up pennies in front of a steam roller for when the V actually had a monster and raised small due to it...

wager all the chips

huh? You don't play in flow?

For the sake of this discussion, as people have said to check and check/fold, could you elaborate on why you'd wager all the chippies against V's likely range?

Edit: keeping in mind V is loose gambly type, not nitty.

I think you're missing the fact that we flopped top pair...
Are you proposing that villain's calling range preflop here is 99+ (or like JJ+)? And you didn't want to squeeze preflop with someone calling that tightly?

I’m a nit, but my fear/hesitation boiled down to... What calls a bet that we beat?

Short of making AK fold, Any other hand that calls $90 calls any bet on that dry of a flop.

with the short stack what would you have done if the original raiser jammed? against standard nit 4 bet jamming ranges which hands are you going with given the price you would be getting?

Anyway with stacks and your hand just pot and pray on the flop.

The majority of his range, yes. The point is OP shouldn't be 3betting pre to hope and pray everyone folds. We need to expect to get at least one caller, and know we're going to be firing bullets post flop with little equity, or even shutting down.

The main reason I wouldn't squeeze is our bet size would need to be higher with all the callers, and we only have 80 BB's. I would also want to know the original raiser is opening wide from UTG. Plus he only has $270 and is "gambly", so he might jam pre or at least call.

I was counting on a jam pre not happening. V was not nitty at all. Like I said, he was a loose gambly type. If he happened to wake up with a super premium I'd have to let it go I guess. That's always a risk one takes when squeezing. Nice thing about bluffing is I don't mind folding when I get 4! jammed on because I'm usually crushed.

If he jammed I'd need 30% against his range ($180/$585). Against this V I'd call a 4! jam with TT+ AQ+. Against a true "nit," my range would probably tighten up considerably to AK QQ+.

If V calls you super lose say ((AxQy-AxTy,AxQx-Ax2x,KxQy,KxJy,KxQx-KxTx,QxJx,QxTx,QxJy,JxTx,TT-22,Tx9x,Tx8x,9x8x,9x7x,8x7x,8x6x,7x6x,7x5x,6x5x,6x 4x,5x4x)@100,(QQ,JJ)@25) and always 4-bets AA,KK,AK) he has 215 combos (with Kh8h dead) If he calls with
(Ax8x,Ax7x,Ax5x,Ax3x,Tx8x,9x8x,99-77,8x7x,8x6x,7x6x,7x5x,6x4x,55,33)@100,(AsQs-As9s,As6s,As4s,As2s,KsQs-KsTs,QsJs,QsTs,JsTs,Ts9s,9s7s,6s5s,5s4s)@100,(QQ,J J)@25 Its 79 combos (again Kh8h removed). So you get him to fold over half his range and flip with his calling range so a massively +eV shove on the flop (just how you got to there...)

your plan pre was to give it all away
so what cold feet now that you hit top pair?
GII
Floor chips PLEASE

given the price you can call with pretty alot of hands run some equities, against AA-JJ,AK AxQy has less equity than 8x7x...(they are close and I would be calling both off against the shorty (If I decided to squeeze with 87 of course...)

Ap gotta shove this flop we have so much equity

We picked up like 20% equity to this flop against a top 8% range.

Get your chips in the middle and get ready to reload.

Lol. Point well taken. Won't be doing this in Vegas. Just loosening up looking for small edges as BR increases and I get more comfortable at my local casino.

Yeah, no offense, but you're trying to put too many concepts into your game at once and are over applying them.

AP, shove, but this hand is spew.

my man - i generally do not post in strat. However, i have read all of your pahwm threads. they are all trainwrecks for different reasons imo. You seriously need to figure out what you are trying to achieve when you sit at a table and do it. this is obv easier said than done as evidenced in your posts (no offense - i am not trying to belittle you or be a tool. I am simply stating things as I see em - and you obviously have a strong desire to improve). Fact is no matter what the outcome is this hand is a disaster. Not gunna go into the details y but you really need to think about when and y you make a squeeze and what stack depths etc warrant making that particular play or not. Playing dynamic winning kick ass poker takes an absolute ton of thought and commitment to excellence not random unwarranted aggression

nothing wrong with trying things if your roll can handle it

just make sure results don't lead to thinking a bad move is good because of how it went that one time

reverse true also , a good move might not work but is still a good move

+1.




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