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Pre is bad due to the following in order of importance: 1. Eff stacks 2. Villains range 3 your Position which will dictate Which hands to squeeze with.
Oop with bigger eff stacks you should be squeezing with hands that have more playability post flop, KJs+. As for suited high low cards, you should be thinking AXss
With the right image K8ss is the bottom of my 3betting range in position and not one that I squeeze with every time

Flop: you have TP2k and SPR is less than 2. Is there really any discussion to be had?


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The theme of OP’s PAHWM threads is that he’s trying to increase his bluffs/squeezes. The problem is that he’s choosing the right hands in the wrong spots and the wrong hands in the wrong spots. Use these threads to primarily pick better spots as your most necessary improvement and you’ll be OK. Ignore the advice at your own peril.

Thanks for everyone’s help. After hearing what you all had to say I’m going to my first gambler’s anonymous meeting tonight.

Results: I jammed, V called, MHIG.

If you are a talented wizard or if the people at your table are awful or some combination of the two then calling is perfectly fine. 3! vs an utg open in this spot does not seem good especially when I dont really expect utg opener gambler to fold pre/post often. Unless you know hes open folding too much or calling with worse for whatever reason its not a good spot to 3!.

Call>fold>3!

this can't be a terrible candidate for a 3bet when the Original raiser makes it small from UTG. When he flats and we flop this we have to bet for fat value

don't think re-raising pre is bad per se but it's a great hand to take a flop getting 6.5:1. We always need to have 2 different options on every street and since folding is not possible a re-raise is definitely better than a fold but it's possible we can take a flop 100% of the time given the overlay on doing so

call and reraise are actually the only pre flop plays available. if we are going to have a light raising range from the BB in this hand K8s is not a terrible candidate. ppl just don't 4bet light with position here often enough to make this a terrible play. also the types of hands they will call with and fold with actually increase our equity when called

suited kings are interesting because while they have massive reverse implied odds, our equity vs a calling range is not bad as it's fairly standard to fold bad aces to the 3b and flat calling ranges don't generally contain the kings (assuming AK, AA, KK are always 4bet). All of the other kings in his range are too risky to flat because he will be forced to fold unimproved on the flop and we block him from hitting a top pair hand that he can continue past the flop with. It's just too risky to flat KQ or KJs. That's why our equity when flat called is high enough that we can 3bet here with a lot of dead money, tho just calling pre is an explicit +ev play and should be the default

Strange assumptions there. In my 1/3 game, the average V is flatting AK to a 3-bet over 90% of the time, and aren't often folding KQ and KJ either. Some of them are calling with KTo.

if they flat call with KQ, KJ, KT, then we will win with the worst hand often enough that it should offset the times a king actually flops.

To be perfectly fair: I used to 3bet with suited random kings pretty often. When pokerstove was around you could play around with the gap between a raising range and a calling range and find that K8s plays better vs the 3bet calling range than the opening range itself.

for example, if the raising range is say, A9s+ and he folds all aces but AQ and AK to a 3bet, but calls 9Ts, then our hand actually performs better vs his 3bet calling range than his open range


that being said, there is huge reverse implied odds of not having a good kicker, not having the nut flush draw, not having a 2card straight draw

I've lost many a big pot getting FPS with suited kings, so I'm not going further than saying flat most of the time and be careful that you don't 3bet here too often, it's a once in a blue moon play