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PAHWM deep 75dd otb PAHWM deep 75dd otb

11-02-2016 , 09:25 PM
Utg tag Asian covers on the looser side sometimes meaning opening more, like Q7hh from mp when we were 7 handed but besides that nothing crazy besides looser mp opens.

Notable hands I've seen utg Asian play:

Opens K9o in CO, lag MAWGerman, calls in Sb, BB calls. Flop was Kd84, check to Asian who cbets 2/3ish pot, German calls, everyone else folds. Turn Jd, German checks, Asian bets 1/2potish, German raises to about 3x, Asian calls. Blank turn goes check check. Asian has K9o and it's good. Unsure if he knows German is a lag or doesn't like to fold. He seems tagish and solid from what I've seen though so I'm pretty sure it's because of the laggy German.

I have 3! Asian tags utg open once on the button after co called,- he called, co folded, Asian called about 1/2 pot on a K62cc board, then c/f when I bet 1/2 pot on a Q non club turn.

UTG Asian tag covers
Mp tag 1500
Hero tag only shown down winners tag 2300
Sb 1200 loose not so good

Utg Asian raises to 35, mp tag calls, hero otb with 75dd...
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11-02-2016 , 09:57 PM
I am guessing it is 2/5 so I can see the merits in 3b/call/fold
I like calling the most as you have position, might confidential sb to come along for the ride,keep the pot small
I like 3betting for the squeeze with the money out the will be nice to pick up the pot but will have to be big maybe 130-150 range.
Folding I guess if you want to play safe but that would make boring PAHWM

So call and let's see a flop
PAHWM deep 75dd otb Quote
11-02-2016 , 10:18 PM
Depends on how not so good but call or fold usually
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11-02-2016 , 10:44 PM
Call, You're against two villains that don't have 7/5 in their range. Yes they could be on a higher flush draw, but if you flop well you'll have them dominated. You're getting 1:3 on your money and their stacks are deep enough to make this a profitable play. The asian guy doesn't fold to a raise with TPDK. Keep that in mind when you're preparing to stack him.

Personally I would choose a suited connector to stack your villain, but this is OK.

I could see an argument for either or.
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11-02-2016 , 10:45 PM
I overcall here, I don't think seeing a flop in position can be bad here when we're 400bb+ effective. I don't really like 3! because I think we're going to have to fire at least one barrel so we end up with a big pot and not much of a hand a lot of the time.
PAHWM deep 75dd otb Quote
11-03-2016 , 04:46 AM
Call and play some post flop poker.

FWIW...V seems like a station. I would significantly reduce/eliminate 3-bet bluffs against him, until I show him the goods enough times that he starts folding to my bets. (I know that he folded to your DB earlier, but it look likes he hates to fold).
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11-03-2016 , 06:15 AM
It is 5/10. Hero calls, sb calls. Flop is Qd9s9d. UTG bets 90, mp calls, hero?
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11-03-2016 , 07:31 AM
On that flop not loving the cbet from villain so he has something that he is willing to bet into 3 other players.
Cold call has me worried as well, what kind of hands would call that we are happy with?? Qx is about it every thing else has us crushed.
You haven't mentioned much about sb besides he is not that good and loose so I can see him cold calling with 9x here preflop no worries
Am happy to fold this without much drama we flopped a flush draw but can have RIO even if we get there.
If we had the nut flush draw I would probably call but am always a little scared on paired board's
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11-03-2016 , 08:38 AM
fold pre fold flop
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11-03-2016 , 08:39 AM
If v1 seems to open UTG with the same frequency as other positions then I much prefer 3betting pre, a lot of players don't get nearly as creative from early position as they do from middle-late though so I'm guessing thats not the case.

I'd probably raise flop to 450 as played, we can credibly rep a 9 and UTG will have to fold mostly everything with MP also in behind him, MP will also have to fold with Qx or a draw quite often or just jam on us with a 9 out of position but he probably doesn't have many 9's.
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11-03-2016 , 10:16 AM
I don't like 3betting the UTG asian, especially since he likes to flat 3bets. Also, we don't know he is as wide from UTG (not that he was super wide or anything opening K9o late or Q7hh from mp) so we should assume his range is more narrow, and might not wanna 3bet with our trash.
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11-03-2016 , 10:46 AM
grunch:

If this is 5/T I might consider 3betting here as he can fold more of his range with a smaller relative opening, would also consider just folding. Probably not flatting.

If this is 2/5 then his large open leads me to believe that his is strong and we have really go IO so I'm going to flat IP, and we know that he won't fold much post flop (as evidenced by the K9o hand) so we can expect to get paid healthily when we make a hand. But 1p type hands are not likely to be best post flop.
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11-03-2016 , 12:45 PM
Hero calls, Sb folds. Turn, Js. Board is Qd9d9hJs. Utg bets 230, mp folds, hero?
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11-03-2016 , 01:07 PM
Holy merciful jesus, is this for real? Is this SoCal $5/10?

/books ticket to LAX

pre is meh, calling IRL IMO because i love the button but it's close, fold flop, fold turn.

dude is barreling into two players on a super wet, paired flop and we want to call down/semi-bluff with a 7-high FD?
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11-03-2016 , 01:25 PM
If you're considering a bluff, consider how you would play with 9x, and whether you'd be trying to extract thin value against possible draws with a turn raise / or flat calling and using your position to get a bet in on each street. It's probably the latter and V might know this, but if you think differently then maybe you can credibly rep trips in an attempt to fold out Qx or OP.

Still, the other question is what is he betting turn with
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11-03-2016 , 01:28 PM
FOLD PRE. Fold flop
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11-03-2016 , 03:03 PM
Fold flop.
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11-03-2016 , 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WereBeer
Fold flop.
+1

Obviously pre is at least a call, but you already know that - I flat to keep SB in more often than squeeze here, but 3b is ok depending on dynamics.

Folding this flop seems quite routine - just no playability...MP cont range...Vs seemingly unlikely to be overcalling 1p hands on diamond turns...bleh.
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11-03-2016 , 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
Hero calls, Sb folds. Turn, Js. Board is Qd9d9hJs. Utg bets 230, mp folds, hero?
If you're about to raise, don't. Your 5T seemingly plays far too shallow to do anything other than fold now, esp on this card.

Even deeper, I wouldn't consider any raise turn/barrel lines w this hand considering V often will (should?) at least bet-c all the way down to the stone bottom of an awfully strong range that bet bets. He's just overcalling so much of it given equity and the dampened FE that comes from a front door FD board, even a paired one. He could have 9x in range, none of which you block, many of which have boated up already in addition to the other 6 traditional FH combos with which he could easily choose this line/sizing. His KQ isn't bet-f too quickly either for reasons above and might "pay you off" on brick rivs anyway when u shove.
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11-03-2016 , 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Call and play some post flop poker.
when we miss 78% of flops and fold, at least we played some poker

all these fit or fold calls pre add up in a days time to knock out win rates

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11-03-2016 , 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Playbig2000
when we miss 78% of flops and fold, at least we played some poker

all these fit or fold calls pre add up in a days time to knock out win rates

folding 76s?
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11-04-2016 , 06:21 AM
Hero raises to 535 and v snap folds. When I saw his sizing ott it really made me think of whenever I'm in pots vs tags who aren't calling a value bet often and if they don't fold they will likely raise so I generally bet less when planning to b/f and his bet really seemed similar in that respect even though I didnt really have specific reads on his sizing.Really made me think his range was mostly capped to hands that he planned on b/fing. This was most likely some serious spew but I guess I got lucky which is nice. For those advocating a fold pre how deep would you need to be to be flatting here, or is it not about depth? I am mostly folding pre in these types of spots with these types of hands. After the hand he said that he was shocked that I didn't have it because his range looked so strong. i would be surprised if there are many winning players out there who are calling ott deep with anything besides 9x plus there without significant history or reads.
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11-04-2016 , 03:46 PM
I agree I should definitely be folding otf though
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11-04-2016 , 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanaplan
folding 76s?
yeah, not too much difference tbh.
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