$1/2 $300 max from Tuesday night.

Hero SB ($300) late 30's white guy (looks younger) has a crap image - value-owning himself a few times while having to check/fold and bet/fold in other spots. Otherwise card-dead. Has been constantly topping off. Only reason I've stayed is the game is off the hook and there are several loose gambly players with deep stacks.

UTG ($275) late 20's white guy. Very aggressive post, will bluff perceived weakness and will go for thin value. Will limp a lot of hands from any position, so not very positionally aware. Saw him limp 54 UTG and triple-barrel Q63ss9Q and showed when his opponent folded.

UTG+1 ($375) late 20's white guy. Came to the table claiming he won $500 on a penny slot and he felt like gambling. Loose/passive pre. Calls big raises by short stacks when he doesn't have proper implied odds.

UTG+2 ($375) mid-30's European guy. Has bought in several times for $100 and has run through three buy-ins. Now has some momentum thanks to overly-aggressive lines versus passive opponents. Opens a ton of hands. One hand, opened from MP to $10 with a $60 stack. Button called. Hero 3-bet squeezed to $60 from the SB with A8 and the villain snapped with QT. A ten was in the window and he doubles through me.

MP 1 ($83) mid-40's white guy has been opening and calling a ton pre, no concept of position. Ran a ton of bad bluffs. Had run up a stack to $500 and now has donked his way down. Currently on mega-tilt. Hero value-owned himself versus this particular villain (naturally).

BTN ($250) mid-60’s Persian guy, super bad agro, has been caught raising suited connectors over limpers, even when short. Aggressive in all bad spots. Plays way too many hands and has no concept of his opponents’ ranges. All about BARREL BARREL BARREL.

OTTH!

BTN straddles to $4, onto the hero who has black 99.

Hero?

Trivial flat.

Also, where are the deep stacks you talk about in the OP?

What is the 3 betting frequency?

Seems like an easy limp.

99 feels like a set miner/bluff catcher against these V

this is pretty annoying spot imo, and it seems like it's right in line with the previous action in your night... we have a middling hand, worst position, and stacks arent super deep.

if we limp, any descent raise we're going to get denied odds to set mine properly.

if we raise ourself we're going to probably end up in a multiway, bloated pot.

i guess we limp... begrudgingly. hope one of the Vs throws in a pot sweatener and not a raise to 25+

depends... i'd welcome a light 25+ raise from utg+2 w/callers, allowing an easy fistpump shove

I've never played in a BTN straddle game so I dunno... I probably just limp the straddle and see what develops. There's not enough dead money to raise vs. an UTG straddle and a bunch of callers which is what it's like where I play.

I don't know whether I'm limp/raising or limp/calling, but I'm pretty sure this hand should start with a limp.

Raise

OP are you at the Flamingo? That sounds like such a Flamingo table.

I limp/call a raise and set-mine. Anything beyond set-mining post is V specific.

Limp/evaluate depending upon action, yeah

Limp - open raise is never gonna thin out this table

But excellent set-mining opportunity.

Meh I'm gonna quasi-disagree here.

We have an aggromonkey otb. We act first now and if they all limp to the straddle monkey we will be acting first yet again if he raises getting what may be marginal odds on an oop set mine with the possibility of being 3bet off our hand by another back raiser.

With that out of the way, I am with Vern that this starts with a limp. Depending on who does what behind us I might be considering a limp raise or a set mine. Given this line up I'm investing $4 here and formulating my plan as the pf action unfolds.

So....it seems a majority are in the limp category. I also considered limping but I figured stacks weren't deep enough to set-mine and l/shoving didn't really occur to me (although I like the line in this lineup).

I wasn't afraid of a 3-bet by worse so I decided to raise to 15. All the players listed called the raise.

Flop ($85 after rake)
9h 8s 6s.

Hero bets $60. UTG 1, 2, 3 all call. (Anybody else like a different line?)
MP1 moves in for 68 total.
BTN folds.
All players call for 8 more.

Turn ($435)
Js.

Hero?

Wait, did you flat his flop raise with that many callers already in for $60????

That's way more important than what to do on the turn

Dead raise bro

Haha no, MP1 had $68 left after the preflop action - can't re-open the action.

Pretty bad card. I think I like a check and hope we get a favorable price to boat up. I think someone would have raised the flop with T7. Someone probably has JT, but still, four people calling $68, hard to imagine one of them not having a flush draw.

I think the flop bet is a bit small. AP, jam the turn. Nothing good can come from checking.

Jamming the turn seems like lighting money on fire to me.

You have $227 in a $435 pot with a set on a scary board. Your not folding and you don't want a 4th spade to roll off for free. You can still be called by Tilty players that have a pair and a gutshot / 2 pairs. But you don't want to bet so much that all of them fold and you only get called by better. I bet $125 - $140 / call.

I shove the turn,I probably check raise the flop as well,lots of people who are overly aggressive with draws plus a short stack of $68...I like check- raise>>>>>bet small to induce short stack shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pot.

opening UTG(sb) for a raise is about the worst possible line... wow.

you got super lucky, hit your top set on a non-threatening flop. what the hell, do whatever you want now, its all +ev.

As played otf, I pot it and lol at the fish calling.

Since you decided to bet "small" otf, and are forced into a multiway turn, GII.

Why is opening pre the worst line?

Non-threatening flop? Really?

I mis-clicked with my flop bet sizing, so I'm with you there.

- you're OOP the whole hand
- from your description of Vs in OP, it didnt sound like a raise would thin the heard much, so chances of being multiway is high

what do you do on any flop that has a A/K/Q/J/T and no 9?

how many flops are great for 99 OOP, multiway in a bloated pot?

are you really happy if the flop comes 842r?

i guess the main thing i'm getting at is -> what is your plan for the F/T/R when you decide to raise pre?

i might actually overbet this flop. there arent many turns/rivers we are thrilled about. a lot of action killers. , Q, J, T, 7, 5. if V has a hand they arent going anywhere, so i might go 110/ jam turns