You have a half-pot bet behind and four opponents who still have two opportunities to bet. You are not getting a cheap showdown when someone has a flush. You're not folding. You're not going to induce a bluff. Your only mission is to get value from worse hands and to force draws to pay too high a price. To do this, you must bet.

+1

I would prolly limp call pre because I'd want to play easy poker on flops with an overcard vs this many aggro players behind.

On the flop, being OOP and with aggro villains behind, I would go for a check raise (doesn't even have to be that big IMO), surely someone would take a stab here and even if no one does, our hand will still have decent equity entering the turn.

Why can't we fold? There is no way in hell we are ahead right now in a 5-way pot that has two straights (T7 and QT) and any flush ahead of us. I am check/folding unless I am getting direct odds to boat up. If we check and it goes all-in, all-in, all-in then sure, I am calling it off. But if next to act shoves and everyone else folds, that seems like a trivial fold to me. I don't think that's being nitty I think that's just being a realist.

Yah, the descriptions of the players sound terrible, but even terrible players get good cards sometimes. Do you think we are ahead right now? We've only put $83 into the pot right now (28% of effective stacks). I don't think we are committed to this hand unless the price makes sense. Unless you can be assured everyone will call your all-in shove I don't see how shoving makes sense.

Preflop I'd limp. With worst position, we want to either set mine for cheap or make a stack committing 3 bet depending on action. I like opening to $15 against this lineup if 3bet pre from MP or button was thought to be likely (with our plan a 4bet shove)

AP, I'd either bet $30 on the flop hoping MP reopens the action so we can gii, or bet $100.

AP, turn is obvious shove. You can't fold and you're getting it in if you are behind, so might as well charge the draws. As a bonus, somebody might call drawing dead.

My bad regarding "obvious" on the turn. Pot odds aren't that great. Still have to shove due to possibilities of multiple callers and the very real possibility that we are still ahead.

Sure, if it's heads up and we get shown a flush from someone who has us covered, we can fold, but in real life, getting better than 3:1 with a hand that almost always has a fair number of outs, I am going to be hard-pressed to find a fold. And even in the situations we can fold, it's razor thin, so it's not like preserving the opportunity to check-fold does a lot for us.

By contrast, I think we are ahead sometimes. Flushes are harder to make than two-pair hands. And in the rare cases we are ahead, checking is quite a bit worse than betting.

The flop bet sizing could have gone either way. If u knew shorty was gonna move in, you make it $30 so you can reopen.

Or, you just make the bet huge so all the draws put all their $$$ in before they miss.

The flop is great. No SC flopped the nuts. All the 2-overs guys think they still have outs. PP all still think they are beating your AK.

There are only a few turns that put u behind. But there are many turns that kill your action.

Folding ott w/o a super strong read would be terribad. Most likely, the Vs are blocking each others outs.

It'll be more like 5:1+ once all the betting and calling is complete.

Hero has the right price to draw against flushes and straights unless he gets literally only one caller.

I think this is right on the turn. Maybe even a bit smaller. We are almost certainly behind to a flush--I believe it would not be profitable to GII against a flush here while folding out all other hands. However, if you can get $100-$200 of additional money to come along for the ride, you're now +EV. (Someone could run numbers on this).

So I'd bet out $100, hope for 2+ calls, and obviously call any shove. Hero has 10 outs to quads or a boat, although I'd discount this to 7 or 8 outs based on number of players.

It would never occur to me to do anything but shove here. I don't expect these Villains to be folding getting 3:1, and why should we give anyone with 1 spade a reasonable price?

I wound up checking the turn as I thought non flushes would check back and all flushes would bet an amount that would allow me to draw profitably.

At the time I was trying to figure out a range of hands that would already have a flush on the turn (Ax/Kx of spades, suited connectors, etc.) While the players left in the hand were loose, they weren't lolterrible enough to call pre with unsuited aces, kings, or unsuited cards. Hence they've got a flush or they are behind.

Js on the turn, checks to euro guy in UTG+3 who bets 95. Hero calls, the rest fold.

River is 7c. Hero?

Anytime you have 3+ players with $300 or more on a 1/2 table, that's 'deep-stack' poker.

It's hard to keep money on the table when they rake $25 - $30 pr hr for the BBJ, $125 -$150 for the house; players tipping the cute waitresses $3-$5 and the dealer the same.

I assume this is UTG+2 from your OP (I don't see an UTG+3). I would just check call. You say he takes overly aggressive lines and will be getting like 5+:1 on an all-in. You will most likely lose, but you have to call for the price. He can still value cut himself with 2 pair if he puts you on overpair with a spade.

Correct, UTG+2.

V description says he is aggressive in silly spots. With that info we check call a bet. Really don't like the way this hand went down though. Not expecting to be good often at all.

Also considering the table is full of aggressive players. I like a c/r line also to avoid all this messy stuff