PAHWM AQdd 3! Pot IP - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Hi all,

This is a 1/3 at Wynn hand I played last night. V is 50 y/o British vacationer staying at the hotel. Seems to play tight but that's about all. Haven't seen him play many hands. V playing $200. Hero covers.

Two shorties limp in and hero has AQdd in CO and raises to $17. V in SB 3! $43. Folds to hero. Should we let this go pre in a CO v. SB spot?

Thanks,
DT

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11-14-2018 , 08:40 PM

wait

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shove and say if you got it you got it

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11-14-2018 , 08:50 PM

samo

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Given his descript as tight, fold. AQs is 29% vs. QQ+/AK.

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11-14-2018 , 09:27 PM

FightingFish

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Yeah I think I just let this go if he’s playing tight. Only 66bb deep doesn’t help either. I’d flat if we were much deeper

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11-14-2018 , 11:04 PM

Koss

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How strong is your read on this guy? This is barely a 2x raise. This is not a price I'm going to turn down very often with a suited ace. While 3! ranges do tend to be a bit tight, my experience with Vegas games is they do tend to play a bit more aggressive than others, so AQs might have the equity to continue here against a range that might contain some light 3-bets.

Go with your read I guess, but my readless instinct is to flat and play a flop.

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11-14-2018 , 11:29 PM

Minatorr

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Id flat esp with the limpers dead money giving us a better price not loving it tho

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11-14-2018 , 11:40 PM

twitcherroo

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$26 into $66 w/ $157 behind? I can get behind a call. Fold isn’t terrible. Jamming seems way unnecessary. Flat and see a flop. If he’s tight you should win some low risk pots with moderate aggression when V misses.

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11-14-2018 , 11:50 PM

setintostraight

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I wouldn't trust the read too much, especially if we haven't seen any showdowns. He could be running card dead.

Against a range of JJ-AA,AK,AQs we have 33.69%. I don't hate folding, but I would probably flat and see the flop.

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11-15-2018 , 12:11 AM

bombonanza

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I'm folding AQ (i normally does) for even if we hit Ace or Queen high dry board, im not loving it still. so fold.

else im shoving here depending on my read with the villain (maniac, super aggro, reg).

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11-15-2018 , 06:30 AM

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DumbosTrunk

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Hero calls. Pot $81.

Flop: Ac-Kc-3s. V bets $40.

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11-15-2018 , 09:04 AM

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snowman

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Hero calls. Pot $81.

Flop: Ac-Kc-3s. V bets $40.

I would have folded to the 3 bet pre
now that we're here not lovin it but calling flop

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11-15-2018 , 11:56 AM

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twitcherroo

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Feel like he’s driving you straight to value town. That being said, some vacation player could think AJ is the nuts here. Calling the $41 and essentially committed 100% to the hand at this point. V starting w/ $200 here is unfortunate. With a larger or smaller stack the hands plays much more straight forward. I’m calling a turn bet and leading the river if checked to.

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11-15-2018 , 12:00 PM

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thin_slicing

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A year ago I would of never folded AQs to a 3!. Now I almost snap fold it until a player gives me a reason to think they are capable of a light 3!

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11-15-2018 , 12:26 PM

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AlanBostick

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Preflop call is straightforward. Do not raise.

In general, in three-bet pots, because the SPR is so small on the flop we want to put money in lighter. Call this flop. Do not raise.

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11-15-2018 , 09:15 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Hero calls. Pot $161.

Turn: 2d. V thinks for a while and ships it $125.

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11-15-2018 , 10:24 PM

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BruceGT

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Tourist type. I def fold to 3b pre

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11-16-2018 , 12:02 AM

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AlanBostick

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Hero calls. Pot $161.

Turn: 2d. V thinks for a while and ships it $125.

We pretty much knew this would happen when we faced the flop bet, given stack sizes. We are pot-committed. Call.

Calling both the flop bet and turn shove is superior to shoving on the flop, because we can at least theoretically snap off some bluffs and weaker aces, whereas if if we ship on the flop, villain is going to fold those bluffs. We may or may not be getting our money in good now, but shipping on the flop gets it in worse.

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11-16-2018 , 12:47 AM

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metsandfinsfan

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flat call for sure. and yes i think were committed.

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11-16-2018 , 01:31 AM

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setintostraight

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Yeah, once we call flop, we're committed. Call.

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11-16-2018 , 05:42 AM

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FightingFish

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This hand is a pre flop decision to my earlier point.
66BB effective if we are going to call a 3bet with this hand and flop top pair we can’t be qualming flop and turn calls.

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11-16-2018 , 07:31 AM

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snowman

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

this
But could have all been avoided with a pre fold

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11-16-2018 , 02:27 PM

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AlanBostick

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You can avoid having your aces cracked by folding them preflop, too.

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11-16-2018 , 03:10 PM

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Jay S

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Originally Posted by FightingFish

This hand is a pre flop decision to my earlier point.
66BB effective if we are going to call a 3bet with this hand and flop top pair we can’t be qualming flop and turn calls.

+1. Not sure why this is a PAHWM; there are no tough decisions postflop. Once we call the 3b, we're never folding on this runout when we're this short.

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11-16-2018 , 03:20 PM

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AlanBostick

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Neither is the preflop decision tough.

Is AQs in our preflop open/calling range vs a SB 3-bet from a player who "seems tight," or is it in our open/folding range?

Personally, even given the population read that 1-3 players don't 3-bet anywhere near enough and are hella unbalanced when they do, I think this is a call.

Last edited by AlanBostick; 11-16-2018 at 03:21 PM. Reason: And if you are open/folding AQs in position versus an unknown's 3bets, I want you at my table.

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11-16-2018 , 03:50 PM

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wait

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Yes

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