$50 sounds about right to me. If we are indeed ahead of their ranges, and we expect both to call the $50, then I don't see any really strong arguments against getting more into the pot pre, particularly being in position. If we get re-raised, then we are facing a narrower range and can strongly consider folding. Next hand.

Yes. It is much easier to get value and control the size of the pot in position.



In many low stakes live games this is a viable and winning strategy.

I would make it 35, that should be enough to fold out players behind and villains will also feel inclined to to 4b big with their premiums to deny you odds. Bigger sizing is ok I guess but I squeeze light (especially OTB) so I dont expect V1 or V2 to fold (especially V2 because I expect you talk strat with him off the table).

In a spot where you dont have a ton of fold equity AND we are IP, I choose a smaller sizing and just use a merged range.

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I raise to $65. I can see calling to protect your weaker hands you’d call with here, but against these players, sounds like they have to problem putting money in with hands you dominate. Turn up the heat.

Idk where to begin but 35 might be worst possible size.

60 seems best as buz said.

General rule for struggling players or beginners or bu pros is whatever size you come up with add 15-20% to it and it'll always be a better size.

60 looks good

If I 3 bet this I make it my regular amount which would be $50. I dont change my preflop amounts from what it would normally be. I am surprised so many people agree with making it bigger pre since OP is deeper. Thats like saying you want to turn the hand as much as you can into your comfortable 100bb poker that you're used to instead of playing actual deepstack poker.

If I think the players in the hand already are good players I mix up calling and raising in this spot with AJs. I dont think either option is bad and a lot of the reasons why we should raise or call here are determined by the current table dynamics and how the V's are CURRENTLY viewing our play.

If I 3bet as a default I am cbetting against these 2 V's a very high % of the time and double barreling on non wet boards/brick turns also a very high % of the time assuming 1 caller. If I were to decide on the safer play and just call pre I would probably play fit or fold and play risk free / lose the minimum after seeing a flop with a fairly strong hand in position.

And as per usual GG gives a lot of wisdom in this thread and a bunch of people jump on him and question the way he plays.

GG isnt sharing shyt besides his insane passive scared money nitteryness. Its the same BS in every freaking thread.

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Let's start with ranges. How often is V1 raising pf in early position? We can pretty much assume he's got about no folding range to a 3bet That will tell us how far ahead we are of him. If it is more than 10% of the time, then a 3bet makes perfect sense. You would have initative, position and card strength advantages. $50 sounds good.

Not sure why you are asking about your husband. You should be giving us his exact range for calling the villain, along with his 4bet, 3bet call and fold ranges. The two of you play at the same table often enough. My wife isn't very good at poker but she can range and read me like a book.

I don’t think the issue is turning your hand into a “comfortable 100 BB” hand. In “No Limit Hold Em Theory and Practice” Sklansky argues against middle sized raises that offer good implied odds. He also advocates occasionally over betting moderate hands to disguise overbets with huge hands preflop. Also, you want to bet the most they are willing to call with hands you crush. I’d bet big with AJs if I know my victims will call with A9o type hands all day long.

1/3 9 handed

Good game with a good mix of players. A few limpy, tight, passive players, a few LAGs, a couple of TAGs.

V1 (covers): MAAM who likes to put on a lot of pressure. A LAG playing a lot of hands. Will bet scare cards, raises a lot (including pre), calls wide pre, not afraid to put money in the pot.

V2 ($850): MAWG is also a bit of a LAG. Raising more than anyone at the table and calling wide pre. Playing a lot of hands.

Hero ($700): MAWW is a TAG. Raising quite a bit. Recently coolered by V2 (her husband) all in pre w/ JJ<ATo for $400, but bought back in and has won a few good pots. Much tighter than V1 or V2. Has 3bet two or three times in a couple of hours.

OTTH:

Folds to V1 (MP) who raises to $12, V2 (HJ) calls, Hero (BTN) AJcc? (Blinds are tight passive.)

Hero 3bets to $50. I could have gone a little higher, but this felt right. I might have gotten folds at $70 or more (maybe), but I don't really want them. I'm raising because I think I have the best hand and I'm in position, not to get them to fold worse hands.

Blinds fold, V1 calls, V2 calls (as expected).

Flop (~$145): 664 rainbow

V1 bets $75, V2 calls, Hero?

To answer someone's questions, as stated in OP, V1 raises pre a lot and is very active. Also, my 3bet range is much wider than what I stated they thought I had -- they just don't realize it. The poker table is the only place my husband and I don't tell each other the truth He thinks I am way too tight (and I think he is way too loose).

The JJ vs. ATo hand was a little weird because UTG was leaving and said he'd put in $15 blind and I said I'd call blind if nobody else did. My husband raised to $50, I looked at JJ and raised to $150, folds to him and he shoves and I snap. Of course, I don't think he would have done this if anyone else was involved. I'm not sure if he thought I was full of it or not.

That's why I advocate for a smaller sizing when you dont have fold equity. Makes the pot more manageable especially IP. As played, I would call here if there is a club on the flop, if there isnt then I would raise or fold

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I cannot read my husband like a book. He is a LAG. He is calling V1 very wide here -- small suited A (although he might raise these), small pairs (probably raising 88 or 99+, maybe 66+ vs. this guy), any suited connectors or one-gappers. If V1 calls a 3bet from me, my husband is calling with whatever he flatted V1 with. He is not 4betting me here because he flatted V1, so he's not strong enough.

Post-flop if he starts betting/raising he has a good hand or very good draw. He can be a bit station-y in certain situations, though.

There is one club on the board. Honestly, I don't think I'm ever going less than $50 here. It's my normal size, and I try to keep things the same regardless of my hand -- I change raise size based on position, though.

We got a horrible flop unfortunately, facing a donkbet+ a call in between. I honestly think we should fold the flop, but since this is a PAHWM thread i guess we are calling

I agree; especially if you want to play anything besides 1/2-1/3 you'll get absolutely **** on if you take his advice, and if you take it at 1/2-1/3 you'll have a dramatically lower win rate than if you showed aggression literally ever.

If you figure A or a J is a clean out, plus the equivalent of one or two more outs with a club on the turn (there are ten left but a club just gives us a NFD), you're not getting direct odds to call but you're in the ballpark. I don't hate a call but I'd raise here to rep a big overpair that neither of them should have. The flop is arguably better for your range than theirs (except for their calling with low suited connectors and 44 specifically).

3! or call pre is fine. If they are getting out of line and opening too wide/arent likely to light 4! I don't mind a 3! more often.

Is there a club otf?

V1 opens a lot pre, but they are not 4betting light, and V2 is not 4betting at all once he flats V1.

Yes to club on flop. (Posted in one of my replies.)

If 50 is your std then definitely stick to it.

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Welp... at least this time GG didn't preface his "flop-a-hand-and-bet-else-fold" strat with, "I suck at deep stack".

Raising flop with a cold caller after a donk isnt going to be very good play. Especially on a rainbow board. Just flat and keep their ranges as wide as possible, I would only raise if flop does not have a club

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Agree.

Unless H thinks Hubby is just calling with ATC (essentially) because he thinks H will just let it go, and he can therefore be HU with V...

Lots of meta here.

(BTW... if Hubby thinks you are way too tight, then his call OTF shows likely massive strength.)

Normally, I'm happy to just let V blast off and call him down light-ish as here. But with the 3rd party involved this is not the right line.

Calling is worst. Raise here if you're going to continue. I don't think the raise has to be big -- most likely any raise will get their attention, but we have to consider if they can fold [TT-77]. $180-225 should be fine.

Wp preflop.

AP, I think I would just fold and move on. if villains are thinking they should know that on this board you are pretty much always capped at an overpair. V1 could stab here with some draws/low pps and complete air, but villain 2 is showing interest in the hand too. We have invested 50 and we got one of the worst possible board for our range/hand against 2 lags that are probably not folding now. If you want to make a move just raise to 300, rep TT+ and hope they are folding their bottom range. But you need a very accurate read about V1 donking range and V2 continuing range before you splash 100 bb in the dark. Not Shame in folding

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Thanks to preflop the SPR is a rather lol ~4. Not exactly deepstack poker here.

Facing a donk and a call at this stack depth I would just fold.

If we're going to go FPS, I would rather call than raise. This is a credibly play by an overpair and we get to use our position on the turn to help decide if we can continue with the FPS or bail. The problem is if just a 1/2 PSB goes in on the turn and we get to the river HU we'll only have a 1/2 PSB left (and lol at what's left if the turn bet is bigger / continues 3way). Commitment issues (both for us and our opponents) have arisen immediately (which of course they do in SPR lol ~4 pots).

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