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Perfect Flop in this Setup.
Bet 225

I gii vs V1 & V2
I Would feel less good about the Hand if V3 Comes Along/raises


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Flop: ($280) Ks7c4s

Hero bets $185. V1 calls, then V2 quickly pushes her chips in the middle for an all in that is less than the bet. V3 folds.

Turn: (main pot is $745, side pot is $60)

Ks7c4s 3c

So now we have a small sidepot heads up against V1, whose range we are still beating but who has some hands that improve OTT (K3, 43, 56) and a lot of hands that are still drawing but have 20-25% equity. Meanwhile the huge main pot has V2 to contend with. She has at least a flush draw or a K, potentially a set and maybe two pair although that is unlikely.

How to proceed from here? Still in b/f mode or do we try to pot control at the expense of giving V1 free cards?

*drool*
Great turn card.

Obv 65 gets there. That's just sad if he has that.
But helps pretty much none of the rest of his range.
If he has K3 then he has every other Kx combo known to man, and we're way ahead of that.

Never pot controlling here. Esp against a V that has been shown to be capable and likely to call us down very light.
$375 feels about right.

Bet 695ish ...

I don't care about weird stacksizes OTR. I want value Right Here and rather make him pay to see the river than letting him draw cheap.

The 3 is a good Card for us ..


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I guess you did bet like 375 here and the flush came in OTR? I c/f river if the flush comes in and we have 300bb behind ..


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We have a little over 1000 left. If he's drawing, he's never putting more money in the pot unless he hits OTR. I like 475.

500 is a mental barrier. So that's why I chose 475. It also leaves a lol ~1/4 psb OTR that we have the odds to get in regardless of river


Edit:

Or we could just shove. It's a little over psb, because he's a fish, he may just call. Granted, I'm not sure if a fish is gonna auto call a bet for a grand

This hand is about as good as live poker gets. Hero has an overpair on a relatively dry board with a bluffy image, deepstacked against a fish calling station. Fat profit.

I believe remaining stacks are about 1k and the pot size is about $800. I honestly would shove. I expect V1 to call with all draws and Kx. If you think he folds to a shove, then bet $400 and gii on most rivers.

Sorry you lost to 65s.

We have just 1.3 PSB left (in a pot where we committed ourselves preflop, imo). I would have bet more on the flop to make the turn shove easier, but I probably shove now (although I say this having never shoved over $1000+ on a single street ever in almost 3K hours of 1/3 NL, and in fact have only once (maybe twice?) seen the max-bet-rule-of-$700 in our room encountered), so not exactly a spot I'm used to. Having said that, I still believe the bet/folding / pot controlling ship sailed long ago given this pot to stack size.

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Don't shove .. Bet 695-795 if you want to shove. A shove will look stronger to him and he is more likely to make a correct fold with Kx ..


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Just because we are committed doesn't mean that we have to shove.
Esp if we think that our villain has little to no IO, little to no DO, and maybe drawing close to dead.

If we think that he's got AK for example, we should be massaging our money into the pot in whatever way we think that he will be the most likely to call us. Having him fold AK/KQ here would be a unmitigated disaster. Same thing for any other 1p hand without a flush draw.

I count 15 cards (about 1/3rd of the deck) that put a flush / 4-to-a-straight on board. Not the type of board to massage bets out of people, imo. Plus guy sounds like a clueless idiot that is never folding a pair, especially against us, so lets do that before a sucky river comes.

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There is definitely going to be a visual element to this. This is 1/3, so the working chips are $5 chips. Most people don't color up, so there is a good chance most of our stack is red birds. How do you think it looks if we bet 8 stacks and leave 3 stacks behind? It would look ridiculous if you ask me.

I will concede that if we have something like $500 in $25/$100 chips, that will visually look different and may make the bet feel different.

Granted, I think we either bet < $500 or shove. I don't think there is much of a middle ground

Just announce it .. Or take 15 50$ Chips.

For this exact reason I like to have a massive Chip(500$), if i Play this Deep.


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Well, I mean that's great and all that you like having a stack of big chips, idk what OP had, but from my observation in playing, most people just take the chips they're given and don't color them up. So just "taking 15 $50 chips" may not be an option (on top of the fact that I've never seen $50 chips in play)

And just announcing it is ok to do... Until the dealer will wants you to put the money in the pot or over the betting line or whatever, at which time, we're back to what I was talking about

Again, it may not even be a thing to V. Personally, I would find it curious and I'm sure it's less of a big deal than I seem to be making it out to be

$480 and never ever folding

pretty optimistic to expect villain to call a shove with his entire flop calling range here.
yeah, he might be a fish, but even fish recognize a 1k bet in an 1/3 game and read it as strength unless he´s totally braindead (a read we don´t have).
just make a normal bet of 450 to 550 ish

This is a pretty good spot still. This is not a card that I would be looking to check against this villain. So while I said I'd be looking to check turn I think I probably go ahead and bet ~$500 and see what happens on river.

Does V2 enter your calculus when you consider shoving? I have us as a 60/40 favorite against V2 in the main pot if her range is Kx, sets, flush draws. So we aren't really shoving $1k into $800, we are shoving $1k into $60 + 60% of $750 right? Doesn't that make it a tough move to make profitable?

We have a $500 chip and $500 in $25 chips

$425 in greens in that case.

perfect .. bet the 500 and a couple of 25ers .. I bet 675

So .. What happend? We are all agreeing that betting is the only option.

I see only two options:

1) b/f 375$
2) b/c 675-775$

.. I like the large bet better, because he is still so wide here. But I can see an argument for the smaller one. I bet large, because I feel like he is more likely to make a big mistake OTT than to call a large bet on the river with one pair ..

Not really. I'd bet as much as villain will call, whether that takes one or two streets. You're going for max value against V1 regardless of the side pot. It seems to me V1 thinks at level 1 and isn't going to do a pot odds calculation.

If you think a significant portion of his range is flush draws (NFD is in play here obv) in not sure that plan to bet 475 and call any river is very good.

Of course his range is wider than just draws but consider his NFDs, they have 21%. If we bet 475 leaving 500 behind (lost track of exact stack but it's close). Pot will be 805 + 475 to villain with a 500 I/o free roll on the balance of our stack.

So 805+475+500/475 = laying 3.75:1 or villain needs 21%. So at least NFDs would be correctly calling.

If his range is NFDs and AK his equity is more like 12% so maybe it's ok....meh. But the presence of the all in player actually might make villain more likely to look hero's larger bet up here if he feels better about the side pot given our fos image.

I would have went slightly larger otf making a shove here more like a psb.

AP prob just shove mostly per gg's assessment. Slightly drier boards id be cool with just sticking with smaller bets for turn and river.

I sort of feel like we haven't played the hand to properly capitalize on our image in terms of sizing at this point.

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