My dreams are crushed

AP, calling river 99% of the time.

Results?

LOL just addy.

It just isn't tho

Wow small world! I had no idea you, the guy I've messaged on 2p2, even played in Tampa.

I always thought you (the guy I ran into occasionally) played very well as a LAG / borderline maniac at times. I assumed you're probably losing because

a) I haven't seen you that much so figured you weren't a pro

b) Hardly anyone VPIPs that much and wins.

c) I assumed you didn't need the money and were playing recreationally

I hope you don't feel insulted by anything I've said here! I've actually seen a lot of the lines you take and then you turn up a bluff and I'm thinking "wow, that is brilliant, how can I do that?"

Question: Why should I overlimp 88? I didn't know you were "playing nice" so why would I deviate?

Do you see me as a fish? Maybe I am one

RESULTS:

The laugh made me consider you might be nutted and made me more hesitant to call. Usually when I say something like that, and villain is weak, I get no response or a delayed response. The immediate laugh is usually a sign of strength, from what I've read and from my limited experience.

BUT I call anyway because pot odds are too good, and win vs 66. I probably fold vs a PSB.

Hideous line by V, well played OP

Man inducing and scooping a 3k pot with 88 woulda been so balla.

Yeah...I might have done it if I weren't currently in a really gross downswing. Just wasn't in the mood to face often losing a 3k pot. Bit of a leak but I figure it's better to avoid high variance slightly +EV lines than take them if taking them would result in me tilting and torching $$$, which is definitely a possible outcome if we GII and I lose.

Turning bluff catcher into bluff inducer. Not exactly GTO.

Thought for sure since this was a thread. V had 22. But nope, everyone is solid and we should have folded flop.

Dream Crusher would have loved me, I call that river a lot with AK, maybe even AQ.

DC reggin it up in tampa...wtf!??!

Oh my bad. This wasn't me. I just played this exact hand vs some grinder that's always hyperventilating. I assumed it was OP but I guess I was wrong. I haven't been to Tampa in 20 years. FWIW, I had T8 and rivered my pair. Bad call OP. I never have 66 in this spot.

I didn't realize I played there either!

Thank you very much.

Well I haven't been to Tampa in 20 years so that makes sense but it should be noted that I'm not a pro.

Yes, it's a hard way to make an easy living but consider that the sample size together is very small. One can play vastly different from one game to another based on whether they are playing their A game or not.

I certainly don't.

Not at all!

I amaze myself at times.

Being seen as a fish is a good thing as long as strong regs aren't transferring to your table. Being able to get the biggest whales to transfer to your table is very +EV

This opponent is a bored player with too much money for his own good and likes to click buttons. Without reads we just have to pay this guy off and sometimes we'll be angry with what we see but overall the call is extremely +EV.

If you aren't prepared to play a gigantic pot vs this maniac with mediocre holdings then a case could be made for limping pre and/or checking this flop. I play regularly with a strong mid-stakes player that can apply lots of pressure with gigantic bets and raises with any 2 connected cards. If I don't currently have the fortitude to play a gigantic pot with pockets 8s then I'm probably not going to build up the pot for this player to be able to make his massive bets.

Well thanks for confusing the hell out of me DC. Why would you assume you're the villain? You had this exact board? And the action was the same? At 3AM Sunday? That is so completely random. You've messaged me and know I am in Tampa. It says so in my location.



Here I was looking forward to meeting you in person knowing who you were. You drag this dream in front of me and crush it for no apparent reason. :sad:

+1000

Otf I would cbet less in this spot closer to 40$. Turn is a check back. OTR If this guy spews that hard calling can be good.

terms like lag and tag are used way too liberally and give a false narrative to way too many v's that results in confusing strat

I'd argue that a lag that can open limp is far trickier than a lag that only open raises. There are way more permutations of how one can play a hand if a player mixes in limps with opens.

Also, people like to identify a LAG based on preflop play but one can play somewhat passive preflop and still be the most aggressive player at the table due to postflop aggression. In general I just think these labels can be pretty worthless without additional information because everyone has their own biased view as to how LAGs, TAGs, or OMCs generally play their hands and a lot of players don't fit nicely in any label.

Yeah I went to the casino after watching the fights late Saturday night.

Our meeting was bound to be underwhelming. Just be glad I let you know now before you started up a conversation with "me" IRL talking about how terrible you used to think I was.

You also had the exact same hand and action and even remembered being asked about playing 72, to which you said your laugh, which you evidently recalled, was not genuine???? That's a lot of coincidences.

Haha yeah that would be awkward.

Me: "Hey DreamCrusher, I'm glad I'm finally 'meeting' you, I kind of thought you were a tool to be honest but always wanted to be at your table".

V: "Who the **** is DreamCatcher?"

Me: "Umm...wait, you post on 2p2 right?"

V: "No!"

Me: "Well good luck at the tables TTYL I was totally lying about bumhunting you!"

I agree, which is why I gave a very detailed description of villain's playing style in OP and even more detailed in my second post. "Trixy LAG" seems appropriate for the title considering I'm trying to condense a complicated hand and villain into ten words or fewer. What am I supposed to say, "88 on 772r vs guy who usually raises but sometimes open limps preflop and plays extremely aggressively and tricky postflop"?

I don't think I have ever met a lag pre/post that meets that description but I am sure that is possible and that is a very good point.

Thats a very good point. I should have done a better job reading the thread and paying attention to the details. You dont really have to do that but for someone doing a bad job reading the thread it definitely wouldve helped me i think. For some reason when I hear lag I instantly associate that with being difficult to play against like RG mentioned in the title. If this guy is tricky and will spew/take odd bluffing lines then vs this guy we shouldnt be folding the flop.Turn is still a check unless we can induce v to spew. AP on the river we shouldn't really be folding.

Seems like the HH becomes more straight forward with the reads we have. WP
Shai.

Was he even bluffing?

Limping every now and then isn’t mutually exclusive with being aggressive.

Afterward he didn't seem surprised when I turned up 88 and said something like "gotta take the shot" so I think so, but realistically he is targeting what, 88 to 99? MAYBE bigger pairs but I don't think he thinks I'm folding JJ+. Would take a really good read to turn 66 into a bluff IMO. I guess he might also see this as a blocking bet.

You can be a loose aggro player and limp. Even aggressive players don't always have to go full blown ****** on everystreet.

I 100% qualify Lag, and definitely limp. A lot of games where folding J,10s or 66 in EP is likely a mistake. And raising it is likely -EV