Hi folk, been reading the forum for awhile. Joined today finally. Figured I should partake if I feel like even just reading has helped my game.

First HH, go easy on me.

Main V is MP, mid 50’s retired reg. This hand happened awhile back and I hadn’t played tons of hours with him at the time. I viewed him as a solid player, still do.
Hero is MAWG who V probably views as capable and maybe a touch aggro for the daytime crowd. It’s always funny to me how I can be viewed as LAG during daytime hours (and even the odd night table) playing fairly standard TAG, plus a fair bit of semi-bluffing with reasonable equity and airball bluffing when seems appropriate.

Hero gets 8-10dd in big blind.
UTG+1 limps, main V in Mp limps, HJ limps, BTN limps (lol), small blind adds 3, I check. I’m gonna skip preflop because obviously I’m not raising here, this is a PAHWM and I didn’t take it down here. I’m happy playing this hand multiway.

Equal effective stacks of 1100, V and hero both doubled up, plus a bit in the first couple hours of the session on hands that were pretty standard.
Flop: Ad - Jc - 9h
Small blind checks, Hero?

Again, pretty obvious check/eval situation here in my books, UTG+1 checks, MP bets 25 into pot of 30, fold, BTN calls, SB folds, I call (standard again).

Turn is the delicious 7 of hearts.

Hero?? (Pot = 105)

Welcome to the forum, OP. Why is 7h delicious?

Hahahahaha!!!
Whoops!!! Massive first time rookie mistake error.
Hand is 10-8dd in the Big blind!
Classic!
Thank you Garrick.
That changes everything. lol

I relayed the info from my notepad incorrectly for my hand.
Everything else checks out as correct. Hahahahaha

Gotcha. I'll edit your OP for you.

First I wondered why the call on the flop was standard, then the 7h really messed me up

Fine so far.

Bet about $65 - $75. No need to give them any free cards. Other option is check/raise, but if it checks through it would be terrible.

You have a well disguised hand here, but a long way to go to play for stacks. I would bet smallish, hoping to induce a raise on a wettish board, if our V weren't MAWG daytime reg. Even though he's maybe a touch aggro for that crowd, I fear that most of his TPs would just call, so I prefer a more value-y sizing here.

I go about $75, targeting sticky TPs for value, and still maybe getting raises from 2p and almost always from sets.

Appreciate the edit Garick.
I’m gonna play this decision out then let some more responses come for the flop play.
I also saw merit to betting a bit over 1/2 pot, but suspected MP had at least Ace and would bet the turn 90% of the time with it BDFD also hitting the turn.
I decide to c/r, MP bets 50, BTN folds, Hero? Sizing?

+1

Oh, I should also say my further reasoning for C/R decision here.
Not only do I feel pretty certain that MP is betting here, but I want a loose call from the button after the MP raise. Then I can size my C/R to either target MP, or my check raise takes down the hand from both of them, and that’s not a terrible result either. Any money put in this hand from BTN felt like easy dead money to me at the time.
Additionally, I want initiative on the river bet.
It’s hard to not turn your hand face up here either way, but I’d rather see the river here and decide the bet size, rather than potentially get the re-raise and either 3! and blow him off his hand, or likely just get a fold from him on the river when I shove after turn-play.
If I don’t feel so certain he’s betting here, I definitely bet like you’ve both suggested, but I may be wrong. This feels like a coin flip decision to me and greatly affected the way the hand played out.

The problem with donking after c/c a flop is that it is almost always a huge hand. I've literally never seen this line as a bluff. What bluffs are in your c/c donking range?

c/r is an even stronger line. A lot of Vs wil c/c and then donk when the board gets wetter with TP or (more commonly) a vulnerable 2p. I, personally, have no bluffs in my range here, but some vs will also donk if they picked up equity OTT, like JhXh hands.

The problem with c/r, is that we almost always get one more bet, but we very rarely get more and can only play for stacks in ridic cooler scenarios in which our line doesn't matter much, as all the money was going in anyway.

Oh, and OP, please wait until the discussion on one decision dies down before moving to the next.

Being reasonably deep and with a BDFD I actually might have c/r the flop. Thought being 1) could take it down now which is a win with 10 high and 2) gives me way more opportunity to manage the hand moving forward.

AP I think I donk the turn for 3/4 pot. If V flats I donk river. If V rr’s turn I have a coin to flip between 3b and flat. If I flat i’m Donking basically every river.

To me, the check/raise looks much stronger than the lead. As stated, a lot of Vs (I am one of them) would lead turn with equity trying to set a price. Heck, it might induce a raise from V. Regardless, the weaker he is, I think he's more likely to call $65 - $75 than continue to a check/raise. If he's really strong, he's continuing either way.

Also, if you bet and V calls, B has more reason to come along (if he has any reason).

+1. I absolutely hate x/c flop -> donk turns when draws get there. It's very transparent and good players will find folds.

I like leading the flop so we can continue betting on or gin turns. We can really size up with value and shade down on bricks or 's so that we can still b/c if stacks are deep enough.

Not sure why you went on with flop already. I like leading better than c/c.

I did consider this as well (donking the flop), but I didn’t want to face a raise with only OESD and BDFD. Personally, I think this plays far better as a check/call reasonable bets on the flop, likely closing the action. The only real gin card here is a 7 against so many players.

Honestly, I went on with flop because it seems like the most straightforward decision of the hand to me besides check preflop.
I’m open to people disagreeing though.
Sorry if I gave too many decisions to discuss off the bat.

Effective stacks are $1200 and the SPR is 40x. You can afford to b/c the flop. I'm looking to build the pot with what will be a disguised straight or backdoor flush.

If we donk the flop and call a raise, what do we do on the Qh turn when facing heat? Bet/call? Check/raise? Check/call?

Donking flop OOP into five players w/ a non-nut draw doesn't seem like a great idea to me.

Plus vs ****ty limp ranges

leading has to be a little bit better as there were no raises pf and there shouldn't be too many Ax hands but I always say that and here I am leading 3 streets into A4o to a person who just won't fold!

I mean i really like leading but that usually means leading the turn on blanks and then you are stuck in a really big pot on the river and just HAVE to bluff ten high and darn if you aren't called down by someone holding a weak ace

That being said they aren't supposed to call down with that so this board is a particularly good board for 3 streets of firing as far as GTO is concerned, I think maybe a king would be the only bad barrell card

then again i think sometimes c/c is fine depending on table dynamics but default for me is leading, limping nits gonna nit and sometimes you just want to build that pot

If you want to split your range you can x/c combos without a BDFD and lead the combos with. Being able to continue barreling backdoor equity on the turn is important.

This was my thinking. I’m 90%+ sure there’s at least one ace out there and as I said previously, the only true gin card on the turn is a 7.
I feel like maybe my revealing that too soon is skewing the pretty standard line here. I mean, I lead this flop the odd time 2-3 handed, but 6? I don’t see it honestly. It just seems like potentially unnecessarily putting myself in a bad spot where I can get blown off a disguised hand by a big reraise, or get called and blank the turn. Then what? Bet into one or more players again with 10 high?

This. Can do the same on turn and check the non diamonds. Often gets a free river.