Game is an underground 5/5NL, $1000 max buy-in, however hero is the only person who bought in max. Stacks get fairly deep fairly quickly though, and the game is very loose/actiony generally, although I have more detailed reads on the relevant opponents anyway...

Hero ($1200): 20s Indian, viewed as a tight player by most of the table due to not playing many hands, although generally my image varies for each V. My stack has been fluctuating due to value-betting two streets then being forced to fold rivers on bad runouts.

V1 ($800-ish): 30-ish islander, haven't seen him go to any showdowns yet, my first time playing with him, has been opening a decent amount of pots from all positions to $15-$25. I suspect his variations in sizing are related to his hand strength, as it wasn't varying based on the amount of limpers or his position. He checked/folded flop most of the time after raising pre-flop, although one time when he raised to $20 and got heads-up he over-bet c-bet $50 on a dry low board (I suspect over-pair). Haven't seen him get 3B yet.

V2 (Covers): 30s Italian underworld type. Has played with hero a lot, believes hero is generally quite tight and will fold one-pair type hands to hero facing multiple barrels usually, although occasionally can get sticky if I'm the PFR. Fast-plays his strong hands the vast majority of the time, but occasionally slow-plays with nuts/near nuts on safe boards for his hand (e.g. trips, sometimes nut-flushes). Usually plays draws passively if bet into, but can bet them himself if checked to. Will bluff missed draws when checked to, and typically doesn't value-bet thinly. Tends to call small raises pre-flop with any two suited, any ace, any broadways, low pairs (although I've seen him 3B 77+), and any connectors. Tends to fold most of these hands to a 3B unless the 3B is tiny or there's multiple over-callers of the 3B.

V3 ($500): 20s Asian man, has played with hero a couple of times, believes hero is very TAG, and he knows what TAG means. Knows that hero usually has it but is capable of running big bluffs, as I ran one against him the last time we played. Plays fairly TAG himself post-flop, but calls slightly too often pre-flop with hands like AXs and SCs OOP when stacks aren't deep enough.

V4 ($350): 40s Italian man, is tilted after having lost with AA and AK, but seems to be tilting by limp-calling a tonne. Usually limp-calls with way too many hands pre-flop anyway, and stacks off with one-pair type hands way too often by calling down (he won't raise them post-flop unless it's an over-pair). I don't think he has a specific image of hero, and I doubt he'd use it anyway given he's tilted and stationy anyway.


Onto the hand:

Hero has 33

V4 limps UTG, folded to V1 in MP who raises to $15, V2 calls from CO, folded to V3 who calls in SB, hero?

Pre-flop is in my opinion so trivial so as to barely even merit discussion, but as a formality I'll put up flop tomorrow just in case anyone wants to discuss pre-flop decisions (such as what our 3B squeeze range should be in this spot).

Not squeezing ever. Are we in the BB?

Call.

Just move on to the flop.

Excellent reads on the Vs. Thank you. When you say "Islander," you mean Polynesian?

PF is an obv call, and I'd go ahead and just move on. With this many players already in, never 3-betting less than a premium.

Yeah call.

Call here as we are deep enough to set mine. No need to squeeze at this point due to the station tendencies of the villains

Lol hurry up and post the flop. We already know it's a "how to get max value with a set" or "should I fold after flopping a set?" Thread.

Hero calls $15, V4 calls.

Flop ($75): 39T

V3 checks, hero?

Very wet flop. Lots of cards kill our action or our hand. With stacks over 200BBs effective, we need to build a pot now. I like starting with something that looks blockerish and will likely get TPTK and overpairs to raise if we had more aggro Vs, though others would advocate a c/r

With Vs this passive, I bet out bigger. Is pot a huge bet in this game? How are overbets seen? Somewhere from $60-100, imo.

I'm surprised nobody thought this was a spot where we can squeeze. Although there are 4 players who have VPIPed already, V2 and V3 are almost always folding to a 3B. Additionally, given that V4 limped as opposed to raised, he's also folding to a 3B more often than not. Finally, there's a good chance that V1 has a sizing tell, and as such his range is likely not too strong either. In other words, there's a good chance every Vs range here is capped.

Due to the lol-live factor though, my 3B squeeze range in this spot is probably going to be an expanded value range (i.e. AJ+, 88+, KQ) as opposed to a bluff 3B range though (AXs, SCs)

Meant Pacific Islander, such as Tongan, Samoan etc.

Not ever squeezing oop with 33.

I lead flop for 70%

It doesn't sound like the sort of table where you would have enough FE to squeeze. At these games your probably going to get at least one call on your raise and now your OOP with hand that is only good if you hit your set. Suited aces that you would otherwise fold (for max FE because of blockers) and some big suited connectors (because they can flop better) are the good squeezing hands at these sorts of tables.

Lead flop for $60 unless you feel like check/raise. Given that the original raises seems like the sort to give up on this flop, I prefer lead a lot.

With 33, we'd really like to just x/f allot of flops being oop. A 3! squeeze all but obliges us to a spewy c-bet. Flat >>> Squeeze.

I say just pot the flop.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear before, but I was never considering 3b the 33, but instead which hands would be good to 3b in our spot. That said, it might have been a bit of a derail to discuss that.

Definitely leading flop. ~60 unless PSB/overbets are common in this game. Given reads on the pf raiser, this checks around way too often to try to c/r.

Set-mining out-of-position isn't my favorite thing in the world.

I usually try to find out early in a session whether people tend to raise bets, that look like blocking bets, so I can be prepared for situations like this.

I don't see anything in the OP about you often getting raised when you bet. Without that history, never donk-betting. So, check.

Based on read, v1 cannot be counted on to Cbet into 3 or 4 ( did v4 call) players. Additionally other vs are stationy more than Agro so a lead here is definitely the play. Board is wet and if it checks through a lot of turns could make it tough to get value. I'm leading for 50.

Never? Whether we get raised or not shouldn't stop us from leading out. A x/r turns our range face up. A donk bet is getting called by at least one player 90% of the time. Checking risks missing out on a street of value and makes it less likely or harder to get stacks in by the river. I forget the pot size but im leading for 2/3rds.

I donk $50 on this flop. Giving a free card on this board would be the Absolute Worst.

55$

We should be targeting the PFR when we're set-mining. Nothing in the PFR's description tells me he's going to bet here without something.

Bet $60.

betting $60 and praying someone gets frisky with QJ, spades, T9 etc

Hero bets $50, V4 and V1 fold, V2 calls, V3 folds.

Turn ($175): K

Hero?

Given that V1 has given up a lot as the PFR, leading this flop was a no-brainer. The only real issue here was sizing. I went for sizing on the smaller side so as to induce raises from V4 if he had any piece, V1 if he had an over-pair/TP, and V3 if he had a draw. In retrospect however, given the passivity of V1 and V4, a larger bet size would probably have been more appropriate.