Ummm, no. Playing OOP against good players by flatting with this hand is setting money on fire. The players in this hand are not good, so it is fine. It's not like you have to look hard to find a lot of established pros that advocate 3b! or fold strategy.

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People play 3 bet or fold from the small. Nobody plays 3bet or fold from the big. I think you need to look at bb defending ranges if you think 78cc isn't meant to be in t here.

Original hand indicated that the SB folded, meaning we are first to act OTF.

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I think it might of been a mistake to x this river, although we basically can't have any bluffs.

OTTH
Whale limps
Villain makes it $15
Weaker regular calls otb
Sb folds
Hero calls
Whale calls
Flop ($56) 7s8h9c
Hero x
x,x,x
Turn ($56) Kc
Hero x,x
Villain $35
BTN fold
Hero raises to $150
Whale fold
Villian calls
River ($347) 6c
Hero x
Villian jams $580~
Hero?

Based on V's description of being a spewtard and the fact that our actions look like we are scared of the flush, I think we have to call. We obviously beat all his bluffs and V could also be value owning himself with Tx or even 45cc.

I think we have to call here. He could be doing this with so many hands we beat. If he has a bigger flush, so be it.

Is Villain bad enough to jam with Tx? Based off his description I don't think he is advanced enough to be overbetting to polarize his range, but maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.

Seems like this is a spew often enough to call. There are way more Tx combos than there are suited club combos. Really depends on whether you feel this villain will jam with Tx. Add in the fact that we are underepped and I think we have to call here. It's not like we are hoping for villain to check it back. We wanted a bet and got one, just a bigger size than we are comfortable with.

What should give us pause is that his previous spew plays were speculative/gambooly plays. Bets this size OTR are a different animal.

Flop - Lead and keep betting until raised or scare card hits. If it was two tone or monotone board then check
Turn - C/r if someone with capped range bets or if uncapped range bets small
River - Puke, prob call because of how aggro he’s been with draws and how light he’s been willing to get money in the pot in general. Also sometimes ppl just don’t see the BDFD hitting

This. I cannot tell you how many times tilted villains at this level miss the bdfd.

Snap call.



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Even dmccoy87 missed it!

That's a sick burn hahaha.

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I don’t know if much literature has been written about defending BB after it goes limp -> raise -> call, but if you could point me in that direction.

It’s probably fine here getting 4:1 and 5:1 if limper calls, but let’s not pretend like we’re going to be winning many pots absent flopping well which is not a skill.

When I said “in a vacuum” I was referring more to the general spot and not this specific hand. And generally we’ll be looking at raises of $25-30 rather than $15 which obviously changes our decision for this hand.

The more interesting question is what do you do preflop is villain went $25? How about $30?

I was torn between small value OTR, like $155, or X/induce. Ofc, the $155 might induce as well. I’d lean toward leading.

As played, call given the V image. Hopefully he rolled over KT for a straight.

Buz – check out Harrington on Cash (Vol. 1). There are several pages on playing BB vs. various ranges that raised pre. These types of hand play much better than say KTo because they are less likely to be dominated. That said, Harrington is clear that if post flop skills are weak, just fold.

It ain’t great anymore facing this sized bet, but you have so many ck folds otr so this one has to be a call against this player. There are just too many hands in play on this card that are betting worse for value and/or bluffing.

You probably did the right thing range wise playing riv as a check as a vast majority of what you ckr turn wants to do that. But, I still would have bet 300 as a stomp adjustment and cry called off the rest had he shoved.

Yes that changes things, probably still call most of the time because of the weaker players in the pot, folding against anyone with a clue though. Anything 35+ I'm probably just mucking.

My 2 cents on preflop: to this size of raise I don’t mind the PF call, but I generally don’t like having these speculative hands OOP. I don’t mind Ax suited or small pps, because when you hit them you rarely have tough decisions, but with most hands that can lead to tough decisions, I want to have positions.


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Did he make any comments like "Oh shoot, I didn't see the flush"? I'm curious in game with the pressure, if the BDFD really does go unnoticed by some.

I, without fail, ALWAYS notice the BDFD. Except, you know... in this thread.

In a cash game recently I stacked an opponent with a BDFD. I had middle pair Ac7c OTF, turned a flush draw (which hit his gutter) and then binked a club OTR. River went b/r/c, and he literally sighed as he called. Even when people notice it, it is hard to get away from a hand as strong as a straight.

I would agree with 2 card straights. Here though I think V's river bet is pretty bad with a one card straight and his bet sizing. Seems like he's only going to get called by better (flush / JT) or a really fishy hero call.

Agree 100%. Villain described isn't very good, which is why this was a call.

Maybe if he had the Ac it wouldn't be quite so bad? Still, nothing lower than a straight is calling on this board.

Yeah that is actually really interesting to think about if he had Ac/Tx and he knows he has a loose/ spewy image. Could make a case for a river shove as a merge bet. Still not sure I like it, but maybe a little better.

The more I think about it the more I like betting $60 on river instead of checking. This helps extract extra value from Kx by either getting a call or inducing him to turn Kx into a bluff. Otherwise V would probably just check back river with Kx when checked to. If he has Tx he will raise anyway at which point we can either jam if the raise is small or just call if the raise is big.