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PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table

07-22-2015 , 01:04 PM
Hero has been at a weak and passive table for about 2 hours. Table turnover has been high and most of the players have only been here for 30 minutes or so. Table is 8 handed and playing very weak tight. Periodically, hands are being chopped due to no limpers or raisers. A $25 open raise from MP has a decent to good chance at stealing the blinds no contest.

Hero is young looking 28 year old male while the majority of villains are MAWGs; another two are 55+. V in this hand is a reg at 2/5, 55+ and friendly with a couple players at the table. He is fairly tight pre but not a nit or anything. Haven't seen him show down any hands of note.

Effective stacks of $750

Hero is dealt A J and decides to ...
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:28 PM
Raise to $25. Even UTG, I'm not folding AJs. AJo I might prefer limp/call UTG.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:30 PM
raise to $25 or $20. at looser tables i may limp alot
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:47 PM
Raise 20. Raising to 25 is just a mistake if people aren't going to call with weak hands.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:47 PM
Weak/tight I make it 30, or happy to limp/call MW and avoid a 3bet.

This table feels more like the former.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:52 PM
raise to 25 or 30. Our goal is to get one caller or two at the most.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:54 PM
Raise and play poker. Obv. fold to re-raise.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 01:57 PM
With AJ at a weak-tight table, getting 3bet is just fine. I'd rather raise and fold to a 3bet than limp and call a raise from a hand that has me in big trouble.

I'm going 20 or 25 probably.

I really do not understand the desire to limp. I limp AJ sometimes, but only at aggressive tables where people will mash the "punish limpers" button or the "3bet light" button with weaker hands. If I know I'm not at such a table, limping is not an option for me.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:00 PM
Raise $20. We have a hand that plays well multiway and also heads up so I'll be pretty happy with either result.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:02 PM
Okay all the advice seems pretty standard and range bound. In LP I normally raise $25 + $5 per limper so I decided to start it off at $25. I thought $20 may get too many callers, while $30 may get none (which I don't exactly want either).

Hero opens to $25 UTG with A J
CO calls $25 (just sat down one hand ago, V from KTs hand).
SB calls $25 (primary V in this hand)
BB calls $25 (inept short stack MAWG with about $350)

Pot: $100

Flop: A K 4

Hero checks bets $x
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:08 PM
Bet 50. Get value against worse aces and kings, hopefully buy the button, set ourselves up to check back the turn. I'm a little tempted to check with the BD draw and so many opponents, but this is such a great cbetting board that we should pick up some calls.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:09 PM
55
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:09 PM
I think that if you bet, the right amount is something like $60 or $65. Slightly more is probably also good. But it is probably OK to check sometimes too.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:13 PM
Bet $60-65 to get value from gutters and worse A's
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:18 PM
Bet $60. Be happy if everybody folds. Hero's hand isn't good enough to check because hero isn't going to have any idea what to do if there is action later after checking now.

Plan here if called is to check most turns and evaluate the situation on the river. The bet/check/bet line gives hero the best chance of getting value from KX and worse AX.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:20 PM
25 open would have been my standard. Bet flop 2/3ish seems right here so I'm down with 60-65.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:26 PM
Sweet this is like a hive mind mentality going on right now.

Pot: $100

Flop: A K 4

Hero bets $60

Targeting weak Ax that may have tagged along pre or a stubborn KQ/KJ. Would like to get rid of the QJ/QT/JT riffraff that has a gutter to the nuts.

CO folds
V in the SB calls $60 fairly quickly
BB folds

Ranging V on AK-AQ ATs, KQ and maybe some KJs

Pot: $220

Turn: A K 4 J

Hero?
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:30 PM
As long as you realize that your hand hasn't really gained that much in relative strength, there's not much wrong you can do here. The only thing you're beating now that you weren't before is AQ. Meanwhile, if somehow he has QT, he passed you. And there is no backdoor flush draw on the board.

If you bet this turn, the primary purpose (to me at least) is to charge pair+gutshot hands. Size accordingly. I think if I bet, I'd go 115-125 or something like that.

EDIT: If I bet, I am bet-folding, because of the first paragraph.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:39 PM
I'm with Vernon, I'm b/f given the passive nature of the villain. We can get value from hands that are now pair + gutters like KT/AT. I bet $95.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:43 PM
Rack up your chips and leave this crappy game before you get dealt AJ UTG. Find a better game or come back another day imo.

As played all looks good so far. Only problem with your thinking is say you would like to get rid of the "riffraff" gutters on the flop... Um I like money so I'm praying those hands peel one and make a pair and peel another.

You're absolutely crushing those hands equity wise and they will give you action when they improve to pair+draw. See now on the turn a hand like JT will call another bet. It's tough to make pairs in NLHE And then he may lose a ton if you're lucky enough to river the case J.

Probably betting between 115-150 depending on my opponent and how I feel at the time. Obviously most likely bet/folding here as well.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Pot: $220

Turn: A K 4 J

Hero?
bet 125. AK is still within his range, I don't think he sounds like he's automatically 3betting it pf. I don't think he's calling with a gutter otf either. If he's calling A10 for 90 he'll call it for 125. Pocket 4's are also in his range if he raises.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:53 PM
Like it so far. Bet ~$120. Hate having to fold to a raise, but wise at this table.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:54 PM
Grunch up to flop action:

Bet $60, with the plan to check must turns and, depending our our position, call most rivers or bet if checked to.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - AJs UTG @ Weak-Tight Table Quote
07-22-2015 , 02:57 PM
Just saw turn:

Bet ~125. Getting raised would suck here and I'd have to do some math. The problem with just blanketly saying b/f is that KJ should be a significant portion of his turn c/r range, and we should be discounting hands like AA/KK/QT and possibly a partial discount of AK/JJ.
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07-22-2015 , 03:10 PM
I was planning to check back the turn and I still am.
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