2/5 Tuesday Night Horseshoe Baltimore, MD. 800 cap, straddle allowed from any position up to $15.

Hero ($1,600): Late 20s, playing TAG. Have a good image, only showing down big hands but have been very few showdowns from me. Lot of fast playing my hands and people folding. I have the table covered.

V1 ($600): 50s/60s white man wearing cheap home depot hat and gas station sun glasses. Has some white long hair coming out of the back of his hat. Wearing hiking boots. He's a bad player. Station/sticky involved in most hands. My first hand sitting down I called a $25 raise from him and flopped a set of 3's on 983r he led for $125 into a pot of $100 and I raised to $250 (I know, too fast here). He folded without much thought. He's also donk led into me heads up on KK2r for $15 into a $50 pot. I just called with 77, turn was a 7, he bet $55 and I raised to $125 and he folded pretty quickly. He seems to call a lot of flop bets and folds to heat on later streets if you put the pressure on. Have seen him call a raise with J8o and open limp in the CO with T6o.

V2 ($1,500): Late 30s, jacked, playing games on his ipad. Has straddled all his buttons and is involved in almost every hand. Very stationy.

Pre-flop: No straddle this time, I am UTG+1, one fold to me. I have KK

Hero?

Um, I guess we raise to table standard and hope to get reraised. Reevaluate if/when we do. Raising big or limping seems fishy.

$25

Raise to whatever your standard open has been (should be $20 or $25). You can just skip the trivial decisions in a PAHWM and only ask for feedback on the tough spots.

Yeah, the question in OP is merely "what should I open to with KK in EP?" Super uninteresting. What happened next.

tbf he labeled it PAHWM so he is trying to go street by street with us

but yeah you can skip to the flop or villains actions now assuming you made a standard open

Raise your standard ep open size.

Raise 25$-30.

One of the adjustment you should make at extremely loosy/goosy games is your sizing, if you think you can calls from loose players even if you make it $30+ then by all means, you have to find their thresh hold for calling raises and with what range of hands..

I open to$25

2 things I forgot to mention:

1) I've raised $30 a few times on the BTN over some limped and have gotten 3 callers each time. $35 two callers. $40 zero callers. Table is pretty loose pre.

2) I played a big hand with V1 before this hand. Can't remember how close it was before the hand in this thread.

I raised MP with KJO over one limper. V called on BTN and it was 6-ways to the flop of JT8r. I checked, V stabbed for $70, I called, and good player in CO called. Turn 8c bringing backdoor club draw. Checked to V who bet $150. I called, guy in between folded. River offsuit A. I led for $200 and he folded rather quickly. Some guy was saying I was so tight I "had to have JJ" so I showed my hand to alter my image a little.

Pre: I raised $25 UTG+1, V1 calls two to my left, and V2 calls in MP. BB, also a station, calls.

Flop ($100): J73

BB checks. Hero?

I am going to guess the BB checked? If so looks like a pretty safe flop. I would bet 60-65 to get value from top pair hands. Reevaluate if raised but probably still calling depending on rest of the action

75

On such a dry board in gonna bet a little smaller. Around 50-55$.

80

cbet 65

it's a dry flop and we are targeting Jx and smaller PP's to call. I expect these villains to play straight up in a 4 way pot.

60ish

Yeah dry board and we want action. But won´t these kind of players call $80 just as readily as $60? Will a $60 bet look more cbetish?

I bet $65. V1 and V2 both call, BB folds.

Turn ($295): 8 (completes rainbow)

Hero?

Hmmm, rainbow turn card, completes a gutshot and possibly J8/87 for two pair but still very good board against these V's descriptions. Not looking to get it all in against V2 but should be targeting all of V1's remainig stack of ~$500.

Bet $200/call V1 shove/re-eval if V2 raises

Given the opponents I'd bet more pre ($35) and otf. As played, $170 ott.

If V1 was deeper I think we could safely b/f the turn. But it will only be $200 more into a $500 pot and I think AJ, QQ, (KJ?) are in V1´s range so I prob. make a crying call.

Bet 200/call V1, Bet/fold if V2 raises.

If we tweaked villians tendencies, stack sizes, would pot control be something to consider?

What would GG do?

J9,JT and 97 that's 9 suited combos all now have Pair+gutter. AJ KJ maybe QJ that's 9 suited combos and 36 total with Offsuit that will continue.

Hands that now beat us:

For 2p If we assume suited combos are most likely the fact that this completes the rainbow decreases the number of 2p combos leaving 78ss, 78hh J7ss J7cc J8ss J8dd.

Obv sets 77 and 33 total 6 combos. And throw in an 88 that peeled. 7 sets.

So 13 likely combos that are ahead of us and between 18 and 36 combos that can continue. Given the stationy nature of both players I feel comfortable going big here.

Pot is 270. If we bet 3/4potish say 175... 1 call will give us a pot of 620 we can shove river vs v1. We can b/f rivers vs v2.

If both call we can evaluate river card and action.

Bet 175-185.

Pot controlling vs 2 stations with KK here is unthinkable (in my world but wtfdik)

well we want it to look like a standard half-pot bet that missed with AK, and we want to get 99 to float to see if we give up ott (because in their minds they're still set mining), as well as J8s. We don't want to make it look like we're protecting J10 to overcards by betting too big where someone will say "looks like AJ. I'll let my ten's go".

so now we can hope one of them has AJ and is not folding. I still don't like betting too big because it's still possible someone picked up two pair or is milking us with a set. Besides, we only have a one pair hand. I would bet about 165.

lol. Ok. Carry on.