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Jam turn so we lose our money to nut flush one street sooner?

If he has AcKx or similar, then whatever, he didn't have the implied odds to call our turn bet (drawing to 7 outs), and as much as I hate when people luck box like that, the fact is we much much prefer him to call $1100 on the turn with that hand than fold to a jam - even if we still call off the rest when he hits.

As I said earlier : "I don't think V has a flush here because of the way he played the flop. Unless he hates money he's never re-raising even the NFD otf this deep. "

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04-09-2017 , 01:25 PM

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Then what are you worried about on this river that a jam on the turn would have prevented?

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04-10-2017 , 12:13 AM

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results?

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04-10-2017 , 12:39 AM

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04-10-2017 , 12:51 AM

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Then what are you worried about on this river that a jam on the turn would have prevented?

Variance.

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04-10-2017 , 05:42 AM

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Interested to know how this proceeded.

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04-10-2017 , 11:28 AM

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Well, that's one way to play aces oop deep.

well played op. I lean turn jam better, but seems like a lot of assumptions needed to try to work out the math.

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04-10-2017 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats

Well, that's one way to play aces oop deep.

well played op. I lean turn jam better, but seems like a lot of assumptions needed to try to work out the math.

I guess the two things that may prevent me from getting a pat on the back are: (a) he may not be telling the truth, (b) I was planning on folding to a shove if the board paired, which means that if he shoves river on a board pair with AA he could get a super profitable bluff against me.

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04-10-2017 , 04:47 PM

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that could really tilt the balance toward shoving the turn - if you're not sure Villain will play face up on the river

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04-10-2017 , 05:00 PM

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Super profitable bluff shove with a set...

I think specifically 99 with 9c does this a lot. It might not make sense that a medium flush is more likely to bluff than no flush (except for the fact that 9c9x removes Qc9c and Ac9c from our range), but I think there's some psychology where it's like there's a huge pot and they have a flush and they don't want to check/fold and possibly be bluffed or check and go to showdown and lose, so instead they just click buttons and jam.

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04-10-2017 , 05:40 PM

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Pretty good way to lose everything with AA here.

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04-10-2017 , 05:46 PM

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Pretty good way to lose everything with AA here.

I don't buy it that V had aces. Not saying it's impossible, just that it's a nice story to tell after the fact.

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04-10-2017 , 06:14 PM

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Super profitable bluff shove with a set...

Shoving a set hoping villain either a) doesn't have the nut flush or b) is good enough to fold the non-nut flush, is super profitable?

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04-10-2017 , 06:35 PM

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I don't buy it that V had aces. Not saying it's impossible, just that it's a nice story to tell after the fact.

It is. If I had to ballpark it I'd say I'm 80% confident he was telling the truth. The problem with a bluff shove is that I don't think he expects me to fold any flush, so it only make sense if you have something like top two pair trying to get a set to fold or bottom set hoping to fold out specifically 99. Otherwise you are bluffing with what is almost certain to be the best hand.

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04-10-2017 , 07:08 PM

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Shoving a set hoping villain either a) doesn't have the nut flush or b) is good enough to fold the non-nut flush, is super profitable?

Oh absolutely not... The point is that hero said it would be "super profitable" to shove AA on board pairs on river, given that hero was folding. Now I'm just saying that given hero folded river with a flush when he absolutely denied AA odds to call on turn, even with IO - makes shoving sets in this particular spot against this particular hero, "super profitable" as well.

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04-11-2017 , 03:03 AM

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I guess poker's dead if he had AA.

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04-11-2017 , 09:18 AM

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if he had AA that lends credence to not raising the flop, since part of the reason we did that was to get one pear hands to fold at some point.

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04-11-2017 , 09:45 AM

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I guess poker's dead if he had AA.

Why?

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04-11-2017 , 08:29 PM

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Why?

It's sarcasm. Villain full of spew.

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04-27-2017 , 04:30 PM

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we give villains too much credit.

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