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PAHWM: 2/5 - Cold 4-bet with QQ? Tough spot PAHWM: 2/5 - Cold 4-bet with QQ? Tough spot

01-06-2019 , 10:33 AM
Hero is effective stack of $800. I missed the blinds and posted as a straddle in the co.

Folds to BB who raises $35
UTG folds
UTG1 is confused about action (straddle) and tried to raise to $20
Dealer clears it up and now UTG1 3bets to $100
Folds to hero with QcQd
Hero?

Some reads:

BB is an older guy in 50's. Not much info seems mostly tight and ABC. He played AK poorly in a huge multiway $1.5k pot and was somehow good. If I remember correctly he had already telegraphed he was folding when the action was on me.


UTG1 is a decent reg. Probably the best opponent at the table. Played with him a few times. He's playing pretty snug at this table pre-flop. Very aggressive after the flop. Has been caught multi-barrel bluffing 2-3 times in a few hours already. I believe this was the 2nd time I've seen him 3bet in a few hours. In other sessions I have seen him 3-betting heavily and being out of line with bluffing frequencies. He covers table with about $2.5k.
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01-06-2019 , 10:42 AM
Difficult spot,but i think 4 balling is the play. Around $275-$300 sounds good. If older abc guy should wake up and 5 bet jam on us, i am hating life and folding. If the 3 bettor jams i am going with the hand.
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01-06-2019 , 11:29 AM
How will a 4 bet be perceived. That’s the real question here. If you’re folding out everything but KK+ then that’s not good. If he’ll call or shove with worse then 4 bet.

Otherwise you have an SPR of 3:1 assuming BB folds which is pretty easy gii territory when it flops low. The interesting part, and the thing that might convince me not to just call is what to do the 40% that a K or A flops. Do you know if he’s the type of player to Cbet those flops without top pair?
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01-06-2019 , 12:57 PM
Even if you’ve seen V 3b a lot previously, it seems pretty unlikely that he’s light in this spot with the whole table behind. I might just take a flop in position here
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01-06-2019 , 06:17 PM
So UTG1 is "playing pretty snug preflop"?

Fold.

Unless you and I have different definitions for "pretty snug".

Oh, and BB opened big-ish and still gets to act after hero?

Trivial fold.
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01-06-2019 , 07:16 PM
I didnt want to be first to sound like a nit, because Im not even close to a nit, but I agree with folding preflop here.
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01-06-2019 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I didnt want to be first to sound like a nit, because Im not even close to a nit, but I agree with folding preflop here.
I know it is nitty AF but I seriously considered it in game. I woulda hated myself and still posted about it. It feels so absurd against a good/reggy player.

Anyways I flatted. I couldn't find a size I wanna 4-bet fold with. Also figured I have position so can see a flop and go from there.

BB folds. HU to flop

J73 Pot ~$230

Villain leads $125 and I call.

Turn 2 Pot ~$480

Villain leads $225. Hero?

I have about $575 total left. Flop call pretty straight forward as played imo. Not going to flat preflop and then fold on this flop. This player is capable of barreling AK with As. Can we flat and then call off rivers that aren't A, K or a spade? It's hard (for me) to fold river with just $350 back in such a large pot.
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01-06-2019 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
So UTG1 is "playing pretty snug preflop"?

Fold.

Unless you and I have different definitions for "pretty snug".

Oh, and BB opened big-ish and still gets to act after hero?

Trivial fold.
3.5x is not biggish and Hero has a tell that BB is folding.

I still don't feel bad folding. I think JJ is definitely a fold. UTG+1 probably doesn't 3-bet JJ for value given the his position and the opener's position so we only beat his bluffs. If he's not an aggressive 3-bettor we don't beat much.

I don't see any reason to 4-bet rather than call IP. We only fold out any bluffs he might have. If we decide QQ is too strong to fold I'd call.
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01-06-2019 , 08:46 PM
I don't like folding pre. Calling pre at this stack depth seems fine.

What were the hh's for the multi barrel bluffs v previously ran?
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01-06-2019 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ralphykid67
I know it is nitty AF but I seriously considered it in game. I woulda hated myself and still posted about it. It feels so absurd against a good/reggy player.

Anyways I flatted. I couldn't find a size I wanna 4-bet fold with. Also figured I have position so can see a flop and go from there.

BB folds. HU to flop

J73 Pot ~$230

Villain leads $125 and I call.

Turn 2 Pot ~$480

Villain leads $225. Hero?

I have about $575 total left. Flop call pretty straight forward as played imo. Not going to flat preflop and then fold on this flop. This player is capable of barreling AK with As. Can we flat and then call off rivers that aren't A, K or a spade? It's hard (for me) to fold river with just $350 back in such a large pot.

Its pretty much this exact situation i am looking to avoid by 4 betting pre. Navigating in no mans land with a pretty faceup cold calling range against an aggressive good opponent, and we have no idea if he binked topset or if he is barrelling off with AK with one spade-or has us drawing dead on the turn with AK spades for that matter.

Also folding pre seems absurd to me. 3 bettor literally needs to be a true OMC/ubernit for us to seriously just consider mucking this pre.

4 bet/ folding seems fine by me compared to our other options (maybe going 250 to give us more room to fold to 5 bet jam if thats what we want).
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01-07-2019 , 04:17 AM
Preflop action was hard for me to follow, was the straddle limp-reraised?
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01-07-2019 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Preflop action was hard for me to follow, was the straddle limp-reraised?
Mississippi straddle. You can straddle from any position and action starts after you. So I posted the straddle in the CO, BTN folds, SB folds, and BB raises...
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01-07-2019 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ralphykid67
I know it is nitty AF but I seriously considered it in game. I woulda hated myself and still posted about it. It feels so absurd against a good/reggy player.

Anyways I flatted. I couldn't find a size I wanna 4-bet fold with. Also figured I have position so can see a flop and go from there.

BB folds. HU to flop

J73 Pot ~$230

Villain leads $125 and I call.

Turn 2 Pot ~$480

Villain leads $225. Hero?

I have about $575 total left. Flop call pretty straight forward as played imo. Not going to flat preflop and then fold on this flop. This player is capable of barreling AK with As. Can we flat and then call off rivers that aren't A, K or a spade? It's hard (for me) to fold river with just $350 back in such a large pot.
I think calling the turn is the worst option, given the stack sizes, opponent might give up on the river with his bluffs on a blank,you'll have 350 left, pot 930, and nearly any scare card will hit he's range.
I'd prefer folding the turn, he still has quite a few flushes, KK+, and even if he bets AK, AQ with a spade and AJs you don't have enough equity there.
Your range looks strong given the action, and if opponent is good, it's unlikely he'll bet the turn with AK-AQ no spade, or a random bluff
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