Gotta call. There's no straight or flushes. He could have 88 but he could also have 22. It more likely he has 22 since he bet the flop.

Also several 2 pair hands he could have OTB.

Snap. Massive cooler if he shows up with better. Overlimp with QQ? Unlikely. Bet the flop and bet/call the turn with JT? No.

22 makes the most sense or a very unlucky 88.

Fold.

Tanking on the turn usually means a r/r was considered. Could be set over set with slow-played QQ, perhaps 88 stabbing flop, then hitting a miracle turn. If he is indeed a solid player, 22 simply calls.

Call. You are getting nearly 3 to 1 if my quick math is correct. I don't think it is close.

Most likely hand we lose to is 88 that bet flop after check thru and turned a set.

99s don't bet turn. Qq doesn't limp. J10 is a reach to fire flop/turn. You need to have more than 9 combos of (88/99/QQ/J10) to fold. I don't see it.

Looks like a cooler if you lost.

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Damn son, he limped QQ? I gotta sigh call it off.

Anyone who over limps QQ OTB is 95% gonna check the flop and slow play it. Why wouldnt he?

Dude has to have 22, 88, Q8........or JT if he saved a nun from drowning earlier that day.

is a "solid player" really limping 88, 99 or God forbid QQ otb?

The only hand that makes sense is TJ but hero's only played with him for 4 hours. You called him twice then lead out otr, he has no reason to think you're strong and if he thinks you have AQ he could have Q9 thinking you would call him off.

If we knew this player would not do that with the goods, we can easily fold but it's a crap shoot we don't know what he's capable of or not capable of.

Discounting most of the hands that beat us, I would call. It's around 635 more to call a pot of 940.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with over limping 88, 99 OTB after 3 limps.

You think over limping JT OTB is more solid? A solid player is betting JT on a Q42 flop thinking 4 people will fold? Hes betting again on the turn with a gutshot after getting called 3 times? Then a solid player is going to call a turn check raise praying for his gutshot to hit? In what world does a solid player play that way? JT makes no sense at all and if thats what he has, more power to him but he sure as hell isnt a solid player.

Idk man. People do strange things in live poker.

When I know I'm beat, I usually fold. It doesn't give me much consolation to tell myself that it was a cooler. I could call this only if button is a massive donkey.

FFS... do not fold.

Q9 is easily 50% of his range here.

He basically never has 99,88.

There are only 3 combos of QQ possible, and he never plays QQ like this 100% of the time, so you have to discount his QQ combos to 2 at most (probably just to 1). So at most, he can have QQ here 10% of the time.

What would you do with 22 if you were the button?

probably click back the turn.

as played, call river. raising is too thin. two pair is never calling and i'm oversetted too often to take the risk.

I would raise flop to:
1. Try to play for stacks on later streets.
2. You can definitely find a suited Q2 or Q4 that you'd get action from. Even KQ and some weirdly played AQ could find a call.
3. It's a limped pot so all OESDs and GSSDs are possible and I don't think they'd fold to one raise given the type of players you described.
In reality donking or check-raising this dry flop comes down to your tendencies with such flops. Do you regularly lead or xR with bluffs? If yes, than you should take the same line with strong hands especially since you have a player that you have long history with.


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I turned my hand up to see if he would react at all, which he did not. I ended up calling the additional $510 fairly quickly. I had a hard time finding many QQ, 99, JT or 65 in his range given the action. Seemed more likely to be 22, 88 or Q9. V2 shows 88 for a nice pot.

V1 pulled me aside later & told me I messed up the hand on the flop. He would have donked it. That's what made me want to see what you guys thought. I stand by my x/c but see the merit in donking or x/r, especially after the results here haha.

During the hand, I was operating off the assumption that V2 raises 88, 99, QQ on the button preflop. Mental note about the overlimp for next time I guess.

I don't think we can fold the river given the action and the price. Sometimes we get coolered (kinda) Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful insight! I really appreciate it!

That's a little too weak for me, buddy. I hardly ever limp in pre and this is definitely not one of them.

Maybe so, but limping those hands in this spot is very very common even for solid and aggro players including myself. So it was pretty obvious that 88, 22 were his most likely hands. JT was a massive stretch.

I wouldve bet 88 on the flop probably 75% of the time here. I would never bet JT with that many people seeing the flop. There's no way JT was the most likely hand. Hand reading 101.

I don't know how new you are to live low stakes poker but there are a ton of players who would limp JT on the button. I don't know why you feel it's so impossible.

And furthermore, I never said this is JT. I said it makes more sense over 88 and 99. Also, saying limping 99 OTB is "very very common" for LAGs suggests you got an F in hand reading 101.

Pretty sure Mike is saying JT is unlikely, far more so than 88/99, based on postflop action, not preflop. He's saying, and I agree, that there's very little chance the Button is firing JT on this flop into that many people, and then firing again on the turn when he picks up a gutshot.

I still think 22 was his most likely holding. GII on the river is fine, we have to at least discount combos of 88/99 based on his overlimp pre. Not eliminate them, but discount them. We don't discount any combos of 22 or Q8/Q9 though, so this is a snap GII. Sucks we ran into the top of his range.

Yes that is my biggest take away from this hand. I would raise 88 or 99 most of the time in that situation on the button, but many low stakes live players will overlimp in these spots.