3.5k stack, we cover the table
2/5/10(live straddle) 1kNL ;
10 handed, Sydney, Australia

V1: Sunglasses wannabe type young kid who has been betting really weird spots like river value betting ATo on KT449 etc etc. Just clicking buttons. $1k eff

V2: Assuming V2 to be standard TAG reg who just plays tight. We lost hand to V2 where he 4bet shoved TT for $800 preflop. 1.8k eff

We have 3s3c in the straddle.

5 limpers, sb completes, bb completes, we check the straddle.

($80) Flop: Kc6c3h
checks to us, we check, V1 from mp1 bets $55, V2 who is in HJ calls, sb calls, we?

A bet and 2 calls is too much interest to sit on this. The combined risk that somebody has a club draw and a low straight draw makes a lot of turns dangerous or freeze the action. With a bet and multiple calls single pairs are likely to slow down no matter what so you can't be sure if any turn bet. I would raise to $250 now.

I would have led myself. As played easy raise $200-$300

Feels good to run good. Raise 225

I like leading for 60-70. As played, raise to 250-300.

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I would also just lead out here, probably $75. No PFR to check to and can't let a wet board check around.

As played we need to raise. Again can't let people draw cheap. I make it $225.

I would lead, not that the board is wet (two clubs and one high cards not bone dry but pretty dry) bet out for value.

as played, we have to raise. Can't let everyone in for cheap. We have bottom set, no room to slow play.

Agree with others. Lead out on flop. As played, raise.

As played, the only creative options are to jam or to fold.

The standard play is to do what all the others said, and raise 200-300.


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Raise to $230-$280.

On blank turns fire 2/3-3/4 pot.

Does anyone like flatting in a multiway limped pot purely because we dont really wanna go broke in a limped pot with bottom set or is that too nitty?

No. There are 6 combos that beat us, and 3 of them (KK) would usually raise pre. Against V1 I feel completely committed. V2 is deeper but you just saw him 4-bet shove with TT which means he's willing to gii reasonably light.

The reason you play small PP this way should be to hit a set and stack someone off. You need to get as much money in when you hit your set to make up for all the times you don't. I personally like to stay away from small PP in deep stack games for the RIO.
AP: raise big and look to bet most turns and rivers for value.

I would just flat flop. Don't like c/r once you didn't lead.

raise to 255

Disgustingly nitty.

I don't think flatting is the worst play in the world, but not in fear that we could be losing to 66 or that we want to play any kind of pot control.

The reason flatting could be good is that raising here puts us in danger of folding out everyone.

Given that it is a limped pot, I don't expect anyone to have TPTK or even TPKG, so unless our opponents are braindead, they are wise enough to fold a naked flush draw to a big raise on the flop. We block 63 for two-pair, so that only leaves K6, which we would realistically only expect to see from the BB (who checked, so we can discount this hand a lot). There simply aren't that many value hands that would be willing to call big bets from us. Because we have the 3c this blocks a ton of pair+ flush draws that might be willing to stack off or atleast call a huge flop raise.

If we flat and a safe card hits the turn that doesn't complete a straight or make a flush, then there's a very good chance one of our opponents will go crazy with a semi-bluff or someone will spike two-pair and be willing to play a huge pot with us.

With that said, I agree that there are just too many bad turn cards that will prevent us from being able to cram money into the pot, so I am very happy with raising here and allowing hands like 54cc and the A high flush draw to pay a big price on the flop when they only have a maximum of 33% equity to hit the turn.

If everyone folds, we win a pretty juicy pot with no variance, while giving our opponents the opportunity to make a huge mistake against us by calling to chase a draw. The risk is that a raise could potentially allow our opponents to play perfectly against us by not paying us off when we have a monster.

If you aren't raising here you are doing something wrong. Go ahead and blast it.

Is this hand still alive?

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V1 is happy to gii with weak hands and value bet marginal hands. As others have said I hate a flat. Raise.

I would like to hear the ending to this tale.

Worst PAHWM ever. I'm going to guess H flats the bet on the flop, turn is a club and H has no idea how to proceed.

Hero folded, took his winnings, and never sat down at a poker table again.

OP let's get on with it.

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