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Old 11-29-2015, 12:35 PM   #1
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PAHWM

2/5 9 handed

Hero $980

Lagy rep. Winning Rep. But has gambling image. Spends alot of time trying to dodge passive players trying to trap me. Been 3 betting actively. Having to fold to 4 bets 3 times. Been playing couple hrs. Have image I like to play big pots.

V1: (3k) Solid pro. Has had huge year on tournament scene. Playing outstanding and running very well. Opening alot, from all positions. Has folded 2 or 3 times to Hero 3 bets. Shown no signs he is there to gamble (he can get gambly, when losing). Had been opening and even limping quite often. Think he wanted to play pots, because he feels he has huge post flop edge on whole table.

Rest table is mostly loose passive between $400-800 effective.

Hero dealt KcJc

Utg folds,
V1 open to $15, he was opening small OOP.

Fold
Hero ?

Last edited by iraisetoomuch; 11-29-2015 at 12:39 PM. Reason: removed the first action hero takes
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Old 11-29-2015, 12:43 PM   #2
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Re: PAHWM

Prolly going to be hard to make a lot of money against a solid pro who is opening in EP with this hand.
But that's boring.

So lets just call.
If we get 3bet by anyone pretty much snap folding.
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Old 11-29-2015, 12:59 PM   #3
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Re: PAHWM

No one at table is capable of 3 betting here without QQ+ AK (or tighter). Besides pro, and I

3bet=fold %100

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Old 11-29-2015, 01:07 PM   #4
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Re: PAHWM

I know you're 3 betting this like 75% of the time against this table, so you 3 bet and then what?
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:20 PM   #5
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I know you're 3 betting this like 75% of the time against this table, so you 3 bet and then what?
If anyone is wondering what my image is, this explains it well.

Although crow was not in the house. But it is small player pool.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:21 PM   #6
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Re: PAHWM

Def peeling pre.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:06 PM   #7
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Position is king. Considering his opening range, no reason to 3 bet. Use your position to your advantage and exploit.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:19 PM   #8
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Re: PAHWM

Play a multiway family pot weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. No reason to 3! here.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:36 PM   #9
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No reason to 3 bet here. Quite obvious. PFR gets to see cheap flop and so do we. Something I believe he wanted. Think he raises to $20-25 with premiums.

MP ($325) calls
Button $700 calls

Flop $60
Qd-10-9d


V1: bets $30
Hero:?

Can still comment on either street. Just think it is a pretty easy call.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:48 PM   #10
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You're deep enough to call pre. I'd be very aware of RIO against a solid player raising in EP.

Dream flop. I'm raising to at least $100, probably $120. Too many turn cards can kill your action. A raise looks semi-bluffy and you get money in while you're ahead. This is a very dangerous flop to slowplay multiway.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:05 PM   #11
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Definitely raising flop to around $120 based on info of villains.

If villains behind are good/very aggro could consider calling. But the openers cbet range on this board multi-way should be very strong. And our opponents behind do not appear to be the type to raise wide otf.

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Old 11-29-2015, 03:08 PM   #12
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Preflop I would be mixing folding (most of the time), calling (some of the time) and raising (rarely). Raising is a bluff, your hand is OK but if you get any action you are probably behind and run a high risk of being dominated. Since you seem to be in EP calling is also marginal, but you are deep enough.

As it happens you flopped it. You need to raise, this is a wet board and with 3 villains you have to figure at least one is drawing to beat you. Villains could be drawing to diamonds, kings/jacks or two pair/sets and if they are not any of those can easily kill the action. Make it $120 now.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:16 PM   #13
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Re: PAHWM

Does villain always open for $15 and lead for 1/2 PSB on the flop? Seems pretty weak to me.

Either way, raise it up to $100-120. I don't want to scare anyone off so I'd probably just make it $100.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:22 PM   #14
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Here: calling > folding > raising

Call > fold because of position only.
A pro has already folded twice to your 3 bet you better believe that's fresh in his mind. He's raised oop - I only ask myself one question in this situation. What's the probability I get 4 bet? It looks likely here.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:25 PM   #15
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Raise sizing had fluctuations, but mostly small. my guess is he was raising small, because he was raising fairly wide. Table plays pretty straight forward. They either have a hand they are gonna call with or not. Raise size didn't seem to matter if you open for 15 or 25.

I would expect this smaller sizing to be alot of mid PP, SC, and AK...the small raise size allows him to call more 3 bets, (or get away cheaper, also play smaller pots OOP) and keep dominated Aces in the hand.

Think he never leading this flop with air. It crushes everyone's range.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:40 PM   #16
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If you don't think V is gambly type, then I would think a small raise (maybe 2.5x) or just a flat would be in order.

would he fire 2nd bullet for thinnish value if he thinks you could be drawing?
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:18 PM   #17
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Re: PAHWM

I like raising big here. You're right.
This flop snacks his range, but also everyone else's.

He's not going to lead with little to no equity; so I think he's going to call a really healthy bet.

I'm going to raise $120 - $150.
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:30 PM   #18
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I like the call pre. On the flop, you seem to be comfortable enough playing poker to smooth call and see what button does, and I think that's the most +EV play against most villains. I don't hate raising since it seems like (and if V1 believes that) you're capable of doing it light, the problem with most people in SSNL games that I've seen is they can't do it light so it's a pretty easy muck without the virtual nuts. Obviously we're not really thrilled to see a J or on the turn, but I wouldnt automatically give V credit for a diamond there. How to proceed on turn is obviously going to depend on a lot of factors that we don't have: action by button if we flat, actual turn card, action by V1 whom we have position on and reads on both villains.

EDIT: I think a big bet pretty much kills our action and turns out hand face up. It may elicit a shove from the button with NFD or a set, but most competent pros are not going to continue there unless they give you no respect.

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Old 11-29-2015, 05:10 PM   #19
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If you don't think V is gambly type, then I would think a small raise (maybe 2.5x) or just a flat would be in order.

would he fire 2nd bullet for thinnish value if he thinks you could be drawing?
I missed you have 2 callers behind pre.

I'm always raising here to charge the other 2 for sure.

Do you still mind giving V's ok odds to draw on the flop? If you still don't mind, $90 -$100 seems about right.
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Old 11-29-2015, 06:40 PM   #20
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I missed you have 2 callers behind pre.

I'm always raising here to charge the other 2 for sure.

Do you still mind giving V's ok odds to draw on the flop? If you still don't mind, $90 -$100 seems about right.
Was wondering a little.
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Old 11-29-2015, 06:55 PM   #21
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Okay, so everyone likes a raise here.

Why do I see so many people flatting then?

Anyways, I raise. To $90. May need help with my sizing here.

Was hoping either MP or button would re-raise.

I have wild enough image, that I thought I could get raised by sets and possible 2 pair. MP would probably jam flush draw. While button would just flat. I honestly had no idea what V1 would do with flush draw. Best guess he would flat.

Also, I wanted value from straight draws with pair and to charge flush draws.

Plan going forward is to bomb good turn cards.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:07 PM   #22
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No reason to 3 bet here. Quite obvious. PFR gets to see cheap flop and so do we. Something I believe he wanted. Think he raises to $20-25 with premiums.

MP ($325) calls
Button $700 calls

Flop $60
Qd-10-9d


V1: bets $30
Hero:?

Can still comment on either street. Just think it is a pretty easy call.
Dont understand why you think there is no reason to 3b. If you get folds that's $20 instant profit, no bad for KJs.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:24 PM   #23
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Dont understand why you think there is no reason to 3b. If you get folds that's $20 instant profit, no bad for KJs.
I was able to find alot of spots to 3 bet already. Table had started to fight back. My 3bet fold equity was low at the time.

Given stack depths, V1 could easily flat my 3 bet. Also he would be willing to 4 bet rather wide, knowing I was 3 betting light.

V1 was not the player I wanted to 3bet light. Although, I had. In those cases had great spots to do it. (Tighter image at that time).

Plus I felt my hand plays well multi-way. Also have position on PFR, so I would be able to reduce odds of RIO, should I make a Top Pair type hand.

I believe if I was a pro. This spot is probably be very neutral EV spot. I think I could fold. Being a rec player. I tend to play a bit more, since I don't get to play often.

With tight image. It is Possible we could 3 bet light here to show a profit. But I could fold for 8 hours straight, would still have Laggy image.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:54 PM   #24
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But I could fold for 8 hours straight, would still have Laggy image.
I know OP and the small player pool at this casino. This is NOT an exaggeration. I think Mikko could play uber nit for 2 or 3 sessions and still have lag image because of history.
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Old 11-29-2015, 08:00 PM   #25
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Why do I see so many people flatting then?
Raise is mandatory here because everything points raise. Multiple villains, more after you then before, board is very wet, villains can put you on a raise with a draw and at least one villain should have a hand that can play.

In other situations flatting with the nuts can be best, particularly when the board is less wet and your heads up.
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