Hi 2+2! This is my first post and I think the money will always be getting in in this spot but I'd like a line check and suggestions/thoughts. Thank you!

1/3 I'm the effective stack in this hand with $530. Game is deep and on the bigger side probably playing more like a 5/5

Villain 1: A dealer who has a day off and is playing in the game. I've never played with him but younger guy seems solid/tight.

Villain 2: Loose passive middle aged guy. Likes to see lots of flops, likes to overbet when he has it.

Villain 3: Super Reg. Very good player, very balanced across all streets. I have played quite a bit with this player and he is almost always a good sized winner. He's stuck tonight but that won't stop him from unloading 3 streets if he feels that's the right play. Very tough opponent to play against. Villain 3 will be the main Villain in this pot - will refer to him as just Villain from here on out.

Hero: Younger white guy, plays frequently, has a more aggressive image.

OTTH:

Hero dealt QQ in HJ

Villain has a $6 on the button.

SB, BB limp, V1 UTG raises to $20, V2 UTG+1 calls, folds around to Hero in HJ Hero 3! to $60, folds to V3 on the button who 4! $200. V1 & V2 fold. Hero calls.

Flop ($452) K47

Hero checks/ Villain Checks

I'm checking here and don't love a jam but I think I'm calling off if he does. We're now behind AA/KK/AK but have outs against all of those hands unless he has the A. But if he's ever 4! JJ or TT with the intention to take down the pot then or get heads up we're in good shape. Maybe that thinking is too optimistic? Let me know.

Turn ($452) 9

Hero bets $175, Villain Calls

I chose a super small sizing on this turn because I wanted to be able to get called by worse. AK without a club, KK, AA without a club, or JJ/TT with a club. If I shove I think he can get away from all of those hands but if he calls here we're guaranteed to get the money in on pretty much all rivers, and if he shoves we're happy to call off. Honestly after the flop checks and a great turn card a call from Villain here and I think I'm getting the last $155 in on every river card.

River ($802) 3

Hero jams for $155

Is this line absolutely terrible? Did i suffer from FPS? Should I just be jamming preflop or turn? Advise, thoughts, criticisms all welcome.

3bet bigger. I'm folding to the 4bet. Especially because it's so huge and a cold 4bet. Also you're 3betting an UTG open from the HJ... QQ isn't actually that high up in your range.

Just jam turn as played.

i think preflop is between shoving or folding, im only calling OOP with AA vs a known aggressive player to trap. on this spot, since its a cold 4bet, im folding preflop.

since there is a king OTF, im only beating JJ which i dont think is in a normal cold 4bet range. he may even have KK here and scared of the flush.

after hitting turn 2nd nuts, im check calling him turn and river when the board doesnt pair.

Im a bit confused here. Don’t we turn the nuts (nut flush)?

Pre, it’s a 4! or fold (although I often can’t help myself and call here too even though I know it’s bad).

What is a live good players 3! Range here? Many limit it to QQ+, AKs. leaving you just 38% and a very difficult flop situation. Any A or K flop has 100% of his range beating you. Any lower flop has the overpairs (12 of 17 combos of villains range). Sure, this is a pretty tight range, but even slightly wider, QQ is tough to play here.


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The board is Kc7c4c9c. We have QcQs

Do they not have an Ac in the deck where you play?


I fold preflop to the cold 4 bet.

Thanks for the thoughts guys!

OTR Villain calls off the rest of the stack so we get to see his cards - AKh we end up scooping.

Best player at the table + cold 4! = fold.

Or if you think your small 3! induced his bet and he's doing this sorta wide, just shove pre.

Deep, I'm not convinced I 3bet a tight UTG raise with relatively little dead money in the pot, but that's me, I'm passive like that. It also gives an opportunity for Villain to go nuts on the Button and we can then flat/reraise depending on what the others do.

QQ is going to see enough sucky flops where I think we have to either shove or fold given these stacks preflop. I probably lean to a fold since this guy just 4bet a guy who 3bet a tight UTG open, but again, that's me.

I'm not sure what I think about postflop. We have less than a <PSB left, so we're probably committed on this flop, although I guess we're not that vulnerable and ok with giving free cards, although I'm not sure. I might more turn my hand into a bluffcatcher on later streets since my guess is he realizes a lot of his "showdownable" hands aren't really that showdownable once we called the raise preflop. But I'm not sure.

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Unless I have a read V is some kind of maniac, I think pre is terrible. Its fold >>>>> shove. Calling is terribad. We are calling almost 1/2 stack pre in a situation where we are more likely dominated than not.

As played, I think you overestimated the skill of the V. He played this hand poorly. I think given the spot you put yourself in you played it fine.

We are 47% against AK AA KK QQ JJ, a typical range vs a super reg. Since we only started with 500 and it was a straddle pot we are less than 100 straddles starting. I'd just ship it in preflop vs an agro winning reg.

V's flop check is terrible imo.

Do you really think JJ is part of a 4-bet range?

I'd love to see a ranging tool where ranges are treated unequally. AA-QQ weighted higher than AK weighted higher than JJ-TT much higher than random spazz for example. When we run ranges through the computer all are treated equally.

Either way, take out JJ and we are 40%.

In a straddled pot I'd just shove pre, you're less than 100bb effective with straddle and V can easily be doing this with AK given the action and sometimes AQ or a total bluff. As played seems fine, V can still have plenty of worse hands to call with and he may just not believe that you have a club if he has red aces/AK/etc.

Interesting spot on the turn, I think that even though your line is interesting, checking is probably better. This gives villain a chance to bluff. Similarly, I think betting twice gives villain another chance to get away when he is probably calling more or an all-in anyway.

If we are splitting our bets, I probably favor a smaller one on the turn, as it will make river more interesting and even let villain think about jamming

Fold or shove pre, lean mostly towards snap folding

60 seems really small to me preflop, but I do like a squeeze. I make it like 90 tho
(And I’m getting it in pre)

And I was so nice to you on the other thread. I
misread the turn and thought it was an A♣️.

I too fold pre, don’t like the flop check as played and an fine with the rest.


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Flop check is pretty std imo