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04-08-2017 , 07:47 PM
1/3 on a Tuesday after work.

Main Villain ($1000): Fish running incredibly well. Has been playing literally 80% of hands, even to big openings. He's been calling down very, very light, but keeps getting there. He is capable of bluffing, but hasn't chosen his spots well.

Limp-Caller ($250): New to the table. Has limp called a lot of hands. Seems pretty ABC, but slow played a flopped set once on a two-tone board.

Hero ($500): 40-year-old in jeans and a t-shirt. I've been at the table for about and hour and have been completely card dead, so my image is tight.

OTTH

Villain straddles for $6, two limpers and I make it $26 with TT in the highjack. Villain calls and one limper calls with ~$250 behind.

Thoughts on the sizing? In hindsight I'm thinking maybe I should have gone bigger.

Flop ($78): 974
Checks to hero. ??

Last edited by Acquittal; 04-08-2017 at 08:09 PM.
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04-08-2017 , 07:52 PM
Sizing seems decent if we expect it to get the result that we did, 2 callers is normally a good number.

Hard to comment on the rest without reads on the limper.
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04-08-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Hard to comment on the rest without reads on the limper.
Good point. I'll add those to the original post.
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04-08-2017 , 09:13 PM
Would c-bet black tens, x/b with a heart.
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04-08-2017 , 09:43 PM
sizing is fine pre.

flop im making this 70. Rec player and 80% vpip wont be folding Flush draws or TP here IMO and we always have to inculde 1 gappers and probably 2 gappers as well.

so either way Im potting, folding if 1k stack shoves over, calling if new guy shoves.

if either villain shows strength on turn then I think we should lean more to folding.
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04-09-2017 , 08:55 AM
Start with a bet. 1/2 to 2/3 pot.
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04-09-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
1/3 on a Tuesday after work.

Main Villain ($1000): Fish running incredibly well. Has been playing literally 80% of hands, even to big openings. He's been calling down very, very light, but keeps getting there. He is capable of bluffing, but hasn't chosen his spots well.

Limp-Caller ($250): New to the table. Has limp called a lot of hands. Seems pretty ABC, but slow played a flopped set once on a two-tone board.

Hero ($500): 40-year-old in jeans and a t-shirt. I've been at the table for about and hour and have been completely card dead, so my image is tight.

OTTH

Villain straddles for $6, two limpers and I make it $26 with TT in the highjack. Villain calls and one limper calls with ~$250 behind.

Thoughts on the sizing? In hindsight I'm thinking maybe I should have gone bigger.

Flop ($78): 974
Checks to hero. ??
So I decided to bet $50. The main villain cuts out some raising chips, tanks for a bit, and then just calls. The limper folds.

Turn ($178): 974 -- J
Villain checks. Hero?
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04-09-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
So I decided to bet $50. The main villain cuts out some raising chips, tanks for a bit, and then just calls. The limper folds.

Turn ($178): 974 -- J
Villain checks. Hero?
Bet 70-75% pot and check back on almost every river. Villain's gonna continue with all of his one-pair hands with a broadway heart (and possibly even worse), so we want to extract as much value as possible from those hands OTT. And we're obviously snap-folding to a raise.

Last edited by AlwaysMars; 04-09-2017 at 12:16 PM.
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04-09-2017 , 06:25 PM
^^^^^

I agree with above. Bet a decent munt, fodl to agression, go for cheap showdwon on river.

sickness would be if he donk shoves on all missed hearts on river.
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04-10-2017 , 11:43 AM
Yeah, with two limpers and the loose straddle, I would be making this bigger preflop, with my goal basically trying to isolate the loose straddler. Probably $35.

I'd probably bet the flop. It's likely we have the best hand but we're fairly vulnerable, and our flush draw is meh. I'd probably go $50 and evaluate from there.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-10-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Would c-bet black tens, x/b with a heart.
I'd be cool with this plan with like AA/KK, but the lower our pair starts getting (more vulnerable to overs and our flush draw less valuable), the more I lean towards betting.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-10-2017 , 11:48 AM
I'm torn on the turn. Sounds like he can call down light, but also sounds like he can bluff in poor spots too.

Overall, we have a fairly mediocre hand at this point, and it sounds like this guy might even be able to put us in a gross spot on the turn (we'd hate to be check/raised here with our possible flush outs being good). So I'd check behind. There's a good chance he bets any river and we can snap call. If we bet again, it sets up some pretty gross turn check/raise river donk spots (which at this point may be for stacks).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-10-2017 , 12:41 PM
Pot sized raise was $34 pre. When in doubt, pot is a nice default. I'd go 30 or 35 generally.

I don't like b/f turn against described Villain.

Would need to be pretty spewy for b/c > checkback. I lean checkback and snap call all non-heart rivers under a Q. Hearts and big cards would depend on sizing. But that is the safer route and b/c might be better.
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04-11-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
1/3 on a Tuesday after work.

Main Villain ($1000): Fish running incredibly well. Has been playing literally 80% of hands, even to big openings. He's been calling down very, very light, but keeps getting there. He is capable of bluffing, but hasn't chosen his spots well.

Limp-Caller ($250): New to the table. Has limp called a lot of hands. Seems pretty ABC, but slow played a flopped set once on a two-tone board.

Hero ($500): 40-year-old in jeans and a t-shirt. I've been at the table for about and hour and have been completely card dead, so my image is tight.

OTTH

Villain straddles for $6, two limpers and I make it $26 with TT in the highjack. Villain calls and one limper calls with ~$250 behind.

Thoughts on the sizing? In hindsight I'm thinking maybe I should have gone bigger.

Flop ($78): 974
Checks to hero. ??

So I decided to bet $50. The main villain cuts out some raising chips, tanks for a bit, and then just calls. The limper folds.

Turn ($178): 974 -- J
Villain checks. Hero?
I ultimately bet $75. If I could do it again, I'd bet bigger. Maybe $125. I think the smaller bet might encourage a bluff that would put me to a hard decision.

Villain cuts out raising chips again. Tanks for about 45 seconds, and calls.

River ($328): 974J -- A

Villain checks rather quickly. Hero?
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04-11-2017 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
Pot sized raise was $34 pre. When in doubt, pot is a nice default.
I like this point on preflop sizing over limps.
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04-11-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
I ultimately bet $75. If I could do it again, I'd bet bigger. Maybe $125. I think the smaller bet might encourage a bluff that would put me to a hard decision.

Villain cuts out raising chips again. Tanks for about 45 seconds, and calls.

River ($328): 974J -- A

Villain checks rather quickly. Hero?
Incredibly easy xb, we're never getting called by worse.

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Originally Posted by Acquittal
I like this point on preflop sizing over limps.
Just think what you'd normally raise to (so say 3x for instance), and add another bb per limper.
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04-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
Check river for sure. Unfortunately, he's going to have a lot of Ah that hit the river but I don't want to try to make him hero fold that.
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04-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
River looks like a pretty easy check back (especially with A/J single card flush draw moving ahead of us on turn/river). We're never getting called by worse (right?) and it sounds unlikely that this guy will fold better.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-11-2017 , 11:55 AM
Don't think we're gonna be getting value from much on this river. All of his ace-high flush draws just made top pair and I doubt he's folding that, so seems like a pretty clear check back with good showdown value
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04-11-2017 , 07:33 PM
Curious in what way you think river is a decision?
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04-12-2017 , 01:19 AM
ez check back here.

we lose to all his NFDs now obv but I offer an alternative line......

why was Villains action on turn to raise or show aggression? does he have J :h: ?

Are we really ranging him that tight that he only has the NFD?

I think on very specific spots and say we had something else to go off of on, i think I'm shoving with your description. I understand people are saying we are turning our hand into a bluff, but why not fold out a J?
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04-12-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MK7749
I think on very specific spots and say we had something else to go off of on, i think I'm shoving with your description. I understand people are saying we are turning our hand into a bluff, but why not fold out a J?
If we're talking about ranging tight, then narrowing his hand to Jx is exactly that. We have too much showdown value to turn our hand into a bluff against the majority of his range, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-12-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If we're talking about ranging tight, then narrowing his hand to Jx is exactly that. We have too much showdown value to turn our hand into a bluff against the majority of his range, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
yea, i mean I wouldnt shove there but i thought it was a fun idea.
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