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05-11-2017 , 09:01 PM
Check.
Next.
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05-11-2017 , 09:11 PM
Hero checks
Station checks
V overbets $180
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05-12-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Degenx2
Nope, definitely not. This is one of the few hands of the night that didn't get 3! or go mass multiway to the flop.

Anyway, doesn't seem to be much argument with the line here.

Hero bets $35 (~$700 behind)
Station calls $35 (~$250 behind)
V calls $35 (~$1550 behind)
Pot is $154
Turn comes 5

In hindsight I think my bet was perhaps a bit weak. I like the PSB/overbet lines here a bit better, not sure how much of that is results-oriented though. I really didn't want to see two flat calls on a board with 2 hearts, I would have liked to get the station off his draw-y crap (or charge him a bunch) and build the pot with V while I'm still ahead.

What is villain flatting here? Obviously he has a ton of flush draws in his range (*vomit*), I'm assuming Kx flats here a lot too?

Station could have anything, I guess. I'd imagine he's folding weak Tx and flatting everything else from AT to flush draws to straights?
Given how unexpected our preflop result is and what we are expecting the result to be, I can't stand our open. But that's me, and I'm usually always outvoted on this.

You know what calls a $35 bet on this flop but doesn't call a $50 bet? Absolutely nothing (seriously). We lost value here.

Not a great turn card. My guess is both opponents might play a little more honestly given that this is still a 3way pot. I'd check/evaluate (perhaps just nit folding, although there are admittedly still a lot of worse "good" made hands that might bet if we check).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-12-2017 , 11:20 AM
Facing the big overbet, I'd just sigh fold. Our hand can't improve. He's showed up with the goods a decent amount. There's a calling station in the hand that he might be targetting.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-12-2017 , 11:25 AM
Meh. Irritating fold.
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05-12-2017 , 06:18 PM
If villain sees the calling station for that this is a fold. If he views us both as weak tight he is bluffing a lot here. I am incline to let the station call him down but I will have to stand up to him sometime. This time I fold.
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05-13-2017 , 11:25 AM
Hero calls $180 (~$520 behind)
Station folds
Pot is $514
River comes Q, making the board KJT5Q

Hero?

Station is gone and I feel like this takes a fair few of V's flushes out of his range. I think he's flatting pre with lots of baby suited connectors given the large stack sizes and implied odds too. Can we rep the ace here or are we done with this hand?
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05-13-2017 , 05:52 PM
Fold turn?

kf river. V sounds like in the mood to splash, not folding a baby flush imhe.
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05-14-2017 , 02:17 PM
Should have been done on turn. Now V can accidentally be winning.
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05-14-2017 , 02:22 PM
check / fold

Or since you want to FPS this up too much, shove it in and hope he folds the 9 high flush
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05-14-2017 , 02:24 PM
Hand obviously plays out:
hero checks the river
V rips it in, hero tank folds
V says 'I knew I was good on the turn when you didn't raise' or something stupid like that and flashes Q9 with the 9 of hearts
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05-14-2017 , 09:27 PM
That would have been less awkward than how it played out...

Hero shoves
V tanks for an eternity without saying a word then folds without showing
Hero shows
Villain gives me the most embarassing "what the **** are you doing?" look I've ever copped at a table.

What do you think he had?
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05-14-2017 , 10:44 PM
why would you show? makes no sense
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05-14-2017 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
[Grunch]

I fold because of this:

The players in bold are the type that like to flat with AK.
You'd open fold AQ because a player behind might have AK and call?

There's MUBS and there's, I don't even know, C'thulhu in the closet?
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05-15-2017 , 12:01 AM
I play flopped straights fast because you are never improving and if it's multiway somebody has a piece+draw of that board every time so they aren't folding. Would have PSB on the flop,

As played, I don't know, check and see what transpires.
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05-15-2017 , 12:12 AM
I probably would've potted or even overbet the flop. We don't have the A so we have to fade a lot of flush draws. Two pairs, sets, and lower straights aren't folding. Pair and straight draws aren't folding. Flush draws aren't folding and any nut flush draw also has a gut shot to the straight. Any broadway card will kill our action (4 to a straight on the board) or boat up one the hands we're targeting.

As played, probably give up on the turn and definitely give up on the river.
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05-15-2017 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
why would you show? makes no sense
I realised while villain was tanking that the bet was really spewy. So I decided to tighten right up for the rest of the session. I thought showing would help me play tight post-flop and still get action from the two solid guys who might value bet light thinking I'm a fish, or maybe peg me for hyper aggressive and c/c or c/r more, letting me get to showdown cheaper.
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