Game is playing pretty well and the H($1100) (young 20s wg) has been at the table for five hours. Up the most at the table due to being on the right side of coolers.

V1($450ish): (30s wg) has been at table since H sat down and seems okay. H and V1 played a big pot earlier where V1 3b H in BB w/ AQs and H called w/ JJ on BTN. Flop was QJTr and got it in on a blank turn.

V2($275ish): (40s wg) sat down within the hour and nothing significant has happened with him. Limped a couple times.

Preflop: UTG+1 limps, folds to V1 in HJ who raises to $10, V2 calls on BTN, H is in SB w/ AJ and 3bets to $51, utg folds, V1 takes some time before calling, V2 does the same and calls.

-My thought process is I should be 3betting this some of the time from the small blind and this is a good spot to do it. V1 has seen me jus call a 3bet with JJ earlier so I figure I am taking this dead money down preflop a fair amount of time as he should read me as strong. I also do not think he ever has a super strong when he only makes it $10 preflop after 1 limp almost ever. V2 I expect to also fold a high frequency.

I think there are definitely arguments for 3betting (it's a small LP raise over a limper, there is some dead money in the pot which we're fine taking down now, we don't exactly have a horrible hand, etc.).

But this result (3ways to a super bloated flop OOP) is one of the main reasons why I think I lean to just flatting here. We're going to steal a lotta smallish pots preflop, and maybe even some mediocre pots HU postflop with a cbet some of the time. But in the end do they really end up more than what we sometimes end up losing in these gigantic pots when we flop TP OOP multiway and then what, or cbet the flop when we whiff and get called, etc. I'm not convinced, but I could be wrong. Flatting we create a 4way limped pot with a very workable SPR for extremely cheap (just 2% of our stack against the deeper guy) with a hand that plays well multiway with workable SPRs.

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Definitely 3bet instead of calling in the SB given the action. If we miss, there's no rule that says you need to cbet every flop after you 3bet. If the flop hits the villains' ranges hard, just x/f and move on.

what about the times we end up winning a gigantic pot when we flop big or get called down by a non-believer?

The 3 bet is was fine, unless there are any reads that would suggest otherwise. If we flat, we're pretty much playing fit or fold most of the time unless we decide to get creative.

However how did you end up with a 3bet sizing of exactly $51? (the extra dollar usually gets people looking at you sideways, at least in 2/5+). The size was within the proper sizing, which should be at least 50 up to 60.

Only read OP.

I don’t like the 3-bet with AJs from SB vs HJ as a standard play without a specific read on V. If V is opening too wide, with a merged range, and is sticky. Opening hands like dominated Aces and Jacks, and overplaying that hand then I think fine. From your description of V it seems like he overplays his hand, as evidenced by being stacked on the turn on a very wet board with only 1 pair. Conversely, I have no information if he opens to wide. Without that, I’m going to call in this situation and 3-bet with weaker suited aces.

In a multiway pot out of position you should be playing fit or fold pretty much always.

True but it's currently 3 ways. If the HJ cbets and the button folds it would be heads up. That's why I said "most of the time". I'm not getting out of line in a 3+ player hand after flatting pre OOP with little equity (which is why it's usually better to 3bet pre).

3 bet is fine but for Gods sake's just make it $50. Every time someone makes it some odd amount like $51, it takes the dealer longer to make change and slows the game down. More hands per hour means more winnings for you (assuming youre a winner). It also means more money for the dealers who will like you a lot more if you stop doing that.

So, yeah, the 3 bet is fine. Give us a flop

For those about the $51 raise, I stay dead silent when I play usually and I accidentally shuffled it into my raising amount on the side but did not want to make a big deal about it.

Flop($158): Q83 H bets $70, V1 thinks for some time and calls leaving himself around $330ish left, V2 folds quickly

- Ok so we obviously did not want to go 3 ways here but this flop is not the worst. I am still repping very strong hands here so I think with 2 spades is a mandatory bet for us. V1 should fold all his pocket pairs up to TT and his sizing pre doesnt let me think he ever has JJ+. Maybe AQo? V2 should be folding here almost always unless he has some weird queen.

When V1 calls I am thinking 88 and some Qx maybe? Once in a blue moon maybe he has some suited connector in spades? How do we feel about my bet and sizing? In retrospect maybe $90plus is better

3b more than fine, prefer a little more than just flatting

Ap flop bet way bigger or check, this is not a board where you want to bet too often on with a small sizing.

Prob prefer betting 60% tho

Wider opener, then a BTN flat puts Hero in a great spot to 3b pre ... dead $ is good.

Flop - I'd size as if you had red Kings.

I think I'd rather flat pre with ATs-AQs (since there was another caller) and 3-bet with ATo-AQo.

As played pre, the flop bet seems fine so far.

If I squeeze here, I’d make it $65. $50 too small, I’d rather flat.

Flop sizing is horrid, less than half pot doesn't make much sense on this texture multiway, let alone when you have a hand that wants to increase fold equity

Betting smaller encourages villains to jam on you lighter which is never a good result for you, and also sets you up for a bad spot on the turn

I would just bet big and call it off, aa, aq and qq are the only hands we are in bad shape against

You are dreaming if you think 99-JJ are going to fold to one under halfpot bet or you are playing vs very weak opponents or simply have the reputation of being the biggest nit in the cardroom.

Stacks aren't really deep enough for a 3 street game so i would bet a bit larger on the flop to set up a nice jam pot-sized ALLIN to maximise your FE where a lot of these midpairs will fold and maybe even some Qs V and image dependent.

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$50 seems like plenty here vs a $10 open and a flat call. It's more than a pot sized raise. $65 seems excessive and you would probably never do that with AA.

Bet sizing is a serious issue here on the flop and you definitely can't win at poker unless you plug that leak. Being honest here: 95% of players just throw out random numbers for bet sizing or copy what bet sizing the good players are using. If you studied up on sizing your results will improve for sure

size here needs to be bigger to set up the good ol turn shove, or needs to be less to pull instead of push

there are normally two inflection points on flop sizing and you need to be nearer to one of them. our inflection points are 1/3 pot and 2/3 pot in this hand plus a tiny extra to compensate for position, so 55ish or 110 ish. The reason those two sizes are correct are not for me to explain but the sizing here is so awkward that i suggest you look into it

I can go either way pre but your logic is sound so 3! is fine. I would make it $52 though just to piss Mike Starr off more.

Flop size is awful. Needs to be at least $110, but probably more like $125. Yes you flopped a good draw, but you are fine taking it down now. Half pot bet looks very weak and will likely be called light here. Also, you might actually induce someone to bluff raise you (which I guess is OK IF that was your plan...but it does not seem like it was). Otherwise, adjust your sizing higher.

Same amount of change. You get the same throat punch

Seems I should be betting around $100 here. I can understand that, and I am fairly certain that 66-TT is always folding to a big 3bet pre and a continue on the flop into 3 players in a 1/3 game.

Turn($298): Q83A H thinks for a moment and decides on a check, V checks back relatively quickly

- My thought process now on the turn is that once we turn top pair if we ever bet here are are almost never getting called by a worse hand. I think checking here plays best?

I like a smaller or bigger flop bet. Smaller gives him a chance to raise, possibly as a bluff, and then you can shove. Bigger gives you more FE vs pps below Qs.

Youre screwing this PAHWM up. Youre not supposed to say what you or the villain did on each street. Just post the next card and see what everyone wants to do before you tell us what happened. Youre giving too much info away and influencing responses.

Umm so what? Basically by checking you have given hands like T9/J9/KJ/KT etc a free shot at your stack. Again, winning the pot now is fine and you should be betting for value here. Sure, we lose to AK but we still have a ton of equity vs that hand AND it is highly unlikely that we will get raised on this board given that we were the preflop 3-bettor.

I suppose you could argue that if V check-shoves, we hate it because we have good equity, but I don't that is a good enough reason to not bet here.