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03-21-2013 , 10:51 AM
Pre is a fold + seat change.

Flop is a clear c/r.
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03-21-2013 , 12:53 PM
OP, here's a good exercise I like to do the help these spots become more automatic...write out a range for villain. His pf raising range, flop betting range, and his bet/calling range. Punch those ranges into pokerstove. If you don't have it already, its free and awesome. Pokerstove.com.

Another tool to use and play around with is a fold equity calculator. Take the approx equity we have if he calls from his b/c'ing range and plug it in. Here's a free web tool: http://www.fpppro.com/fold-equity-calculator.php

As played, I check. I decide on how much to c/r depending on callers and his sizing.
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03-21-2013 , 01:07 PM
Bet 2/3 pot.. And 4b shove to any raise
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03-21-2013 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
thats a pretty wide opening range from ep with this crowd of players. larger scs still need a plan post flop other than making the best hand to make them profitable to open from ep.

dynamics of this table would lead me to really nit it up from ep and try and see as many flops as possible for cheap ip.
This....for sure. If table was passive maybe but you said loose aggro. This is an IP hand/situation all day. EP is just to difficult of decisions and with it being so multi, your probable flop draw is gonna be expensive. Save yourself some loot and wait till you're around back.
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03-21-2013 , 08:36 PM
OOP + a drawing hand. Fold.
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03-22-2013 , 02:05 PM
Next action OP. Don't abandon things now. More leaks to plug. Gogogo!
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03-22-2013 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stacking Chips
Bet 2/3 pot.. And 4b shove to any raise
This. We want to get the last bet in here. B/3b jam flop is the way to do it
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03-22-2013 , 10:16 PM
Alright lets get to the turn and plug another leak...

Live straddle $7 on the button. Hero is in the BB with 78hh.

SB calls. Hero calls 7. MP raises to 20. Btn calls. SB Calls. Hero calls.

Flop: 5 6 3

SB chks. Hero chks. MP bets 20. Btn calls. SB folds. Hero calls.

Mid-hand read. I had a feeling MP had an overpair like ~1010+. I had pretty much no range for Btn but was hoping he didnt have a flushdraw.

Turn: 5 6 3 5

Hero ?
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03-22-2013 , 10:53 PM
Fcat, did u download pokerstove or already have it? We are a slight favorite on the flop against a range of ovrpairs. This is why everyone is suggesting to c/r or b/3b the flop. Plus, if we account for a little fold equity, our strong line of c/r or b/3b will help us be even more profitable by generating folds. So, i'd try and get a bunch of money in the middle while our equity is highest.

Why is your read he has TT+? He just bet 20 into 80? Imo, that's weak as puppy piss.

Now, our equity against a range of 99-AA (there's more in there obv) has dropped to ~31%. Worst case, he has a boat and we're drawing to 2 outs. So, i'd check now and not raise if he bets as we lost our chance to rep a big hand otf. Call a reasonable bet.
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03-23-2013 , 06:33 PM
im not exactly sure why i thought he had an overpair. just a sense. he seemed very uncomfortable. The kind of uncomfortable you get when you arent just c-betting ace high KQ type hands. He just sat down like 10 minutes ago and Id never seen him before, So he could have had anything really.

It was at this point in the hand that I really hated that I check called the flop. I was thinking that if I lead the turn theres a pretty good chance 1 of the 2 players behind me might raise /shove. Then, calling off with 1 to come wasnt very appealing.
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03-23-2013 , 07:00 PM
I b/3b this flop (though c/r is almost just as good, perhaps better if he has a high c-bet frequency or is too passive to raise with 1pair) but tbf to OP if you somehow knew with 100% certainty that he had an overpair and wasn't going to fold it then c/c would be correct. I know y'all are gonna be like "but we're a slight favorite vs. an overpair and there's dead money in the pot so a shove is +EV!!!!" and you'd be right (might wanna be a little more judicious with your exclamation point usage tho) but calling and playing to hit your draw is also +EV, probably moreso than flipping for the overlay if you have 0 FE. But in reality his range is wider and you do have FE so don't do that.

Now that you've started playing the hand passively just c/c turn unless he bets huge in which case you can fold. In any normal situation you'd be approaching a commitment decision but luckily for you this donk doesn't seem to know anything about betsizing. I'd lead out on a 4 because he's just gonna check behind but prob c/r a flush and definitely c/r a 9. This is assuming he bets; if turn is checked through then lead any river you hit and still c/f the other ones.

edit: didn't notice that we're only $200 deep with MP instead of the full 450. Doesn't change my turn/river analysis (though might make me more likely to lead a heart river rather than c/ring, depending on what his turn betsize was) but flop CRAI is much better than b/3b with these stack sizes.

Last edited by NeverScurred; 03-23-2013 at 07:16 PM.
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03-23-2013 , 08:15 PM
This is nothing but a snap fold preflop. Any other play is a huge mistake. You're OOP against the whole table.

You will whiff most flops, and the flops you don't whiff, you'll mostly end up with a draw or middle pair.

Once you see this flop, it's bet flop, shove turn. it is bet/3bet shove if you get raised.

c/r shove flop is an option if there's proper reads
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03-23-2013 , 08:18 PM
To you b/3b flop kids, what is your betsizing? I've heard 2/3 pot bandied about but the pot is $80 and dude has $180 behind. If you bet $55 what raise can he make that doesn't totally commit him, if it's not already a shove? CRAI ainec
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04-05-2013 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverScurred
To you b/3b flop kids, what is your betsizing? I've heard 2/3 pot bandied about but the pot is $80 and dude has $180 behind. If you bet $55 what raise can he make that doesn't totally commit him, if it's not already a shove? CRAI ainec
I would bet 40.

Yes mp is committed if he raises us but we don't mind getting it in here. Most b/f situations will result in all in situations anyways. Betting the flop ensures money goes into the pot when we have a strong hand and eliminates the possibility of villains seeing a free turn.

Also it may not always be mp that raises us, he may fold and Btn may raise. We are deep enough to get him to fold with a b/3b

I think that we should have a donking range, and this is the type of hand to have in that range.
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04-05-2013 , 11:19 AM
the turn is the reason you want to get as much money in on the flop as possible...down to 30% equity with OESFD on paired board, getting a bit tricky....you're ahead of any overpair OTF and the only hands you're really in bad shape against are sets/A3hh so look to get it in OTF
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