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09-14-2019 , 06:15 AM
Play a Hand With Me.
One day for each decision point.
I’ll comment my action and why before we go to the next street.
Want a good discussion about sizing, ranges, etc.

Hero: LAG Image (was running ok and had some bluffs exposed).
V1: Loose PF Reg, with a solid postflop game and good reads. Had a few hands vs him before. Seens to know everyone on the Cassino.
V2 and V3: No reads.

OTTH (PAHWM):

PF

V2 on SB (200€-250€) posts 1€, V3 on BB (150€) posts 2€.
Folds to V1 (190€) who limps for 2€ on LJ.
Hero on CO (400€) with 6s5s.

Our move?
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09-14-2019 , 06:42 AM
Realistically fold cuz effective stacks are too shallow to play this properly.

Plan B - iso to 12 and get caught in a sticky postflop hand when you flop mediocre equity in a shallow SPR pot multi-way.
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09-14-2019 , 07:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Realistically fold cuz effective stacks are too shallow to play this properly.

Plan B - iso to 12 and get caught in a sticky postflop hand when you flop mediocre equity in a shallow SPR pot multi-way.


How come our effective stack of ~100bb (75 vs BB, >100 vs SB and 100 vs LJ) aren’t enough to play 65s on a limped pot probably IP? (Only loosing position to BTN that is not yet involved into the hand).

IMO we have 2 options here: Raise or Overlimp.
Is anyone else folding?

About the sizing... wouldn’t you prefer a smaller size (like 8€ or 10€) to make the SPR bigger?
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09-14-2019 , 08:25 AM
Raise your standard open sizing +1 bb, primarily to isolate. Your LAG image may not work in your favor post flop vs a thinking player, still prefer to iso rather than play multi-way with a hand that is low on the equity ladder, with a higher RIO.

Fold to a 3b and if it goes multi-way, checking most flops.
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09-14-2019 , 02:33 PM
If you’re playing to win fold pre. If there to gamble raise.
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09-14-2019 , 02:37 PM
All options are acceptable, so just move on to the flop.
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09-14-2019 , 02:48 PM
Comments PF:

So I just think that we can be folding if we want to play really tight (something less than 20 VPIP), but with the dead money and the fact that the openlimper is really wide, we can play profitable the 65s as an ISO IP on 1/2 games.

My first option is raising, but an overlimp to call vs SB and fold vs BTN, BB and LJ raise is pretty fine if the last 3 to act aren’t so aggro.
Just for the odds that we get.

Let’s continue.

OTTH:

Pot is 5€ and Hero Raises to 10€.
BTN, SB and BB folds, V1 (LJ - 190€) Calls.

FLOP (23€) AsAh3c

V1 X, Hero... ?
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09-14-2019 , 03:07 PM
b/f 10EUR
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09-14-2019 , 03:16 PM
65s is on the edge and I'm fine with all actions preflop. If blinds are tight I lean toward raise. If they are loose and passive post I overlimp. Readless whatever. LAG image makes me want to lean to fold but if villain is too loose pre and reasonable post it means he has to dump many hands on flop so pfr + cbet is more profitable.

Postflop, I'm game for half pot cbet. Most boards I'm doing 2/3 but I like sizing down a paired board because villains will be inelastic with their fold range. Plus we has flush and straight backdoors. If he calls flop I'm thinking my turn fire range will be narrow (low spade and any 4) because wtf would he peel flop and fold turn with. This is not a drawy board and two AA so is he going to peel with naked Broadways and/or a back door flush?
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09-15-2019 , 03:29 AM
Comments OTF:

Yes, agreed. I think a 1/3-1/2pot is ideal in this situation.
V1 have a wide calling range PF, so he will have to drop a big part of this range now.
But he also have to call wider than most people or, otherwise, he will be folding too much.
So he is probably continuing with broadways bdfd, all PP and Ax.

The thing is: If we bet here, we will have to bet any spade, 4, 2, 7 OTT. X any other card, inclusing 6, 5.

So I also don’t dislike a X here to Raise on the cards we are continuing OTT (spades, 4, 2, 7). V1 is a good player do if we X to fold must turns, we will be exploited and shouldn’t have opened 65s as some said.
But when we X flop to R turn, we are representing a strong ace and fullhouse.

The problem is that the pot can go for all stack reaaaally easy if we do that.
So to lower the variance a bit I rather continue between 8€-12€.


OTTH
Hero have 65ss on AsAh3c flop
Stack size:
Hero: 390€
V1: 180€

(...) V1 X, Hero Bets 15€

TURN (53€): AsAh3c 4s

V1 X, Hero...?


(What would you do if V1 dk bet this turn?)
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09-15-2019 , 08:20 AM
11 on flop. 35 turn.

If the V donked turn, call. Raising has less fold equity on paired ace boards than lower ranked cards. If he has another pair, likely checking river, can evaluate from there.
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09-15-2019 , 03:45 PM
Comments OTT:

So the 4s is perfect to keep barreling. We can’t check here AP, so I think the question is just how much.

As I see, V1’s range is inelastic. He will be folding any suited broadway of hearts and clubs. Will be calling any FD and maybe the size will matter vs his straight draws, but I don’t think he have much of em.

His pocket pairs are calling any size that isn’t pot because of my LAG image. His Ax will be villains dependent, but he should be raising the good ones and calling the small ones IMO. Can’t see 52 on his range, so we have no worries about the straight.
His fullhouses can be played anyway and he sure have em.

I like a bet between 1/2-3/4. 2/3 seens the perfect size. 35€.
This way we keep his range and we are betting any river that isn’t an A if V X again.



OTTH
Hero 65ss (375€)
V1 (165€)

V1 X, Hero Bet 25€, V1 Call

RIVER (103€) AsAh3c 4s 2s

V1 X, Hero...?

(V1 have 140€ behind. We cover).

If you choose to bet, please comment if B/F or B/C.
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09-16-2019 , 08:23 AM
Awkward stack size, so B/crying call. 70.
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09-16-2019 , 10:13 AM
Turn. If villain donks he has an A or something else he's not folding to a shove so I call with my many outs folding rivers where I don't hit the straight or flush. As it happened I like sizing up here as we picked up lots lots of equity but still have zero sdv and we can possibly get some of those pocket pairs he peeled to fold. $40. (Am I overambitious in thinking we can get middle pp to fold turn?)

River: would've liked a size up on turn but I would like to hear reasons for still going 1/2 pot. At this point I feel like he's not going anywhere with the sdv in his range and I'm torn between just ripping it or making it 65-70. If he called larger sizing on turn shoving is about pot instead of overbet, maybe that's another reason to size up turn. Definitely bet/call

Last edited by reaper6788; 09-16-2019 at 10:23 AM.
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09-16-2019 , 10:19 AM
Shove river
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09-16-2019 , 12:02 PM
Given the pre flop configuration, specifically V limped CO, I'd reduce the AQ+ part of his range, and target the weaker aces, which is why I'd go 1/2 PSB. If Hero thinks AQ+ is a decent part of his range, shove.
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09-16-2019 , 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper6788
Turn. If villain donks he has an A or something else he's not folding to a shove so I call with my many outs folding rivers where I don't hit the straight or flush. As it happened I like sizing up here as we picked up lots lots of equity but still have zero sdv and we can possibly get some of those pocket pairs he peeled to fold. $40. (Am I overambitious in thinking we can get middle pp to fold turn?)

River: would've liked a size up on turn but I would like to hear reasons for still going 1/2 pot. At this point I feel like he's not going anywhere with the sdv in his range and I'm torn between just ripping it or making it 65-70. If he called larger sizing on turn shoving is about pot instead of overbet, maybe that's another reason to size up turn. Definitely bet/call


I totally agree. The sizing was a flaw.
I wanted to keep most part of his PPs, but as I said before, I believe he is calling with those even for a larger size. Inelastic range.
And I would had enough to jam river.

I think the hole hand is missplayed by me and I could had more value from it.
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09-16-2019 , 12:32 PM
Size up turn so you can shove river whether you hit or whiff, but I still stand by original comment that this should just be folded pre. You got the nut result -- HU IP with a miracle run out and still misplayed the hand. 100 BB poker is boring/straightforward. You are looking to make strong one pair hands and value bet them.
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09-16-2019 , 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Size up turn so you can shove river whether you hit or whiff, but I still stand by original comment that this should just be folded pre. You got the nut result -- HU IP with a miracle run out and still misplayed the hand. 100 BB poker is boring/straightforward. You are looking to make strong one pair hands and value bet them.


I buy it now.
You totally have your point.
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09-16-2019 , 01:33 PM
RESULT:

So the board is: AsAh3c4s2s

Hero have 350€
V1 have 140€

The pot is 103€.

V1 X and we Bet 60€, V1 tanks and Call with A8o.
Hero Wins 223€ - 8€ rake.


Conclusions:

PF: This hand can be folded or overlimped if players left to act are passive.

FLOP: Due to V1 history, we are CBeting between 8€-12€ (oversized AP)

TURN: Due to an inelastic calling range from V1 and the SPR, we should be making enough to garantee a 1 SPR OTR. (Undersized AP)

RIVER: We are putting villains entire stack and we deffinetly missed value OTT and OTR.

Thank you all for playing this hand with me.
Helped me alot to identify leaks.

I may be loosing money on playing marginal hands and not being able to extract max value on favorable runnouts.
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