Are you kidding? If they consistently get to tge river and fold to tony bets in large pots ypu can print money

Great poasting

So your response to this very real possibility is to shovel money into the pot now and avoid all future decisions? Help me out with a villain calling range that we get value out of after he leads a limped pot into a field of 4. While you are at it help me find some better hands behind us that fold or worse hands that call. Think that's a little bit important.

I'm ok with the meaning of RIO thanks. I mean sure there is almost always some degree of RIO in any hand and there are a ton of ****ty/river cards to come. Which may require us folding our marginally strong holding.

Disaster? This is a limped pot sir. We have checked our option and called one small bet with what, at the moment is a medium strength hand (albeit often the best hand). I would like a bit more info on SB. Does he blindly barrel (which seems to be what OP indicates...how does he react to post flop aggression, etc)? And how do we know this is going 4 ways to the turn? You are second to act and the only thing that has happened is that someone led.

LOL what does any of this even mean? 1/2 players can't beat 1/2 online? Yeah thats correct. They aren't even in the same universe in terms of difficulty. And they have nothing to do with one another. This is a live forum. Not sure if Poker 101 advocates playing large pots with medium strength hands but if so I'm reading from the wrong syllabus.

As far as beating LIVE games...I'll pick five LLSNL regs and compare win rates with you if you want?

LOL this is a level right. Point of the jam just so I'm clear? This is a value or bluff?

no way, man, this is the reason i've sworn off 1/2 for good, you have to put that money in to cover the 100-120 that gets sucked down the wormhole every hour

this is why i used to tip the floor at 1/2, so they'd always table change me into another game. I want this to go to showdown, it's not that bad to have a passive limper to your left. If it doesnt go to showdown you will have people start betting 6 pf and the rake just eats you up. It makes everyone at the table happier, if you don't gii, it's a crappy game and the rake will kill ya

honestly, it's $49 of unraked money, and the tiny pots that it creates later just eats you up in rake, can't stress this enough tbh

There are no words to describe this other than utter folly.

I'm with this, by he turn we have only invested 5bb when Lab has been suggesting that a passive line is some how terrible. Sometimes you just play poker and make decisions. Also if our RIO are so terrible with this hand why would we bloat the pot pre with a massive raise when OOP? Especially when we are dealing with these Villans.

Sometimes the optimal play especially live low stakes is going to be the more passive line. As for the turn decision I believe it was Spike that said it well. If we flat thmore aggressive play is better even when we are getting good direct pot odds seems flawed. And I believe that we had exactly 0 fold equity given opponents stack size, not to mention his strong line.

Just my thoughts, I hadn't looked at this thread in a while.

some people think folding the river UI is utter folly

you're so far from reason, it's not worth arguing.

Because we don't want them to continue drawing.

We do not have a draw. We have backdoor equity that will come in 6-8% of the time.

We have a vulnerable made hand, out of position. If we are going to continue in this pot, we should be taking control, pushing out the draws if possible (and it is possible), and get value from other Jx and 9x hands who might be sticky.

Look what happened here: We decided to call 4bb and ended up losing 60bb because we decided to chase a backdoor draw.

If we cannot push out the fish with their crappy draws on this board, then we should get away from the hand and preserve our stack for a spot where we actually can realize our equity.

Raise pre, checking is defensible but limped pots are just not that profitable. If you're checking pre you're likely not betting/barreling enough in general. Everyone is just super passive in limped pots and it lowers your profitability post flop considerably.

Turn is a call the first time. You can play really well against his range otr whether you want to max value on good cards, check back on some cards or turn your hand into a bluff against some playerson the right card. As for raising lol you're basically trying to bluff out 2pair type hands, hands like KQ and KT almost never bet out flop and AJ is discounted since no raise pre, if you're trying to bluff out 2p when you can just call with correct odds lol gl.

3 betting turn on top of the other raise is utterly terrible and indefensible, turn raises in limped pots are strong; if you're arguing otherwise you're wrong. You're less than 50% against everyone's range ever and you want to raise with no FE. lol

GRUNCH

ummmm raise... what are you thinking...?

-There's 4 limpers' dead money.
-We have a above average hand that flops well.
-We want to build the pot with an above average hand.
-We want to punish the limpers.
-We want to play a poker with weaker players who limped with our above average hand.
-We are gonna take it down with a c-bet most of the time if we miss...