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Old 11-19-2018, 10:57 AM   #1
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PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

NLHE, 9-handed, 1/2

Hero (~$800), SB: 50s WW, perceived as tight and probably more aggressive pre (Iím raising most pots I enter) and more passive post. (Post play depends on the villain. I have let a few aggressive villains bet into me and just called them down Ė in those situations, it was the only way I was getting money from them. I am fairly aggressive against the scared money at the table. Not sure who's paying attention, though.) V1 and V2 should know that I'm a winning player overall in this game.

V1 (~$800), BB: 30s WG, professional tournament player (has two bracelets), but plays a lot of cash, too. Tight aggressive but can be tricky and loosen up at times. We play together often. (I admit I donít like being in pots with him when we are deep, especially OOP.)

V2 (~$450), UTG+1: 30s WG, tight, usually passive unless he has a hand but Iíve seen him bluff a few times and he understands position; however, heís drunk so Iím not sure what heís going to do.

OTTH:

UTG (~$600) straddles $10 (good, very aggressive player who is not afraid to gamble), V2 limps, MP limps (tight, passive, scared money), folds to hero

Hero in SB w/ JdJs? Iím obviously raising, but how much?
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:22 AM   #2
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

Id make it $65
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:26 AM   #3
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

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NLHE, 9-handed, 1/2

Hero (~$800), SB: 50s WW, perceived as tight and probably more aggressive pre (Iím raising most pots I enter) and more passive post. (Post play depends on the villain. I have let a few aggressive villains bet into me and just called them down Ė in those situations, it was the only way I was getting money from them. I am fairly aggressive against the scared money at the table. Not sure who's paying attention, though.) V1 and V2 should know that I'm a winning player overall in this game.

V1 (~$800), BB: 30s WG, professional tournament player (has two bracelets), but plays a lot of cash, too. Tight aggressive but can be tricky and loosen up at times. We play together often. (I admit I donít like being in pots with him when we are deep, especially OOP.)

V2 (~$450), UTG+1: 30s WG, tight, usually passive unless he has a hand but Iíve seen him bluff a few times and he understands position; however, heís drunk so Iím not sure what heís going to do.

OTTH:

UTG (~$600) straddles $10 (good, very aggressive player who is not afraid to gamble), V2 limps, MP limps (tight, passive, scared money), folds to hero

Hero in SB w/ JdJs? Iím obviously raising, but how much?
60 to 70. Not looking to play this 4 ways. As for V1 in BB, not sure he's looking to play anything other than solid hands with so many who might tag along.
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:27 AM   #4
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

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Id make it $65
Jinx, well average jinx.
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Old 11-19-2018, 01:03 PM   #5
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

This is spot I hate the most. You likely have easier time having better image. With good image, I would raise to $65 ish.

With my loose image, there is no good size. $30-80 is very likely going 4 ways. So I tend to size smaller and would go $40.

If you feel all these guys are gonna take a flop at $65 then I would size smaller. We have to check/fold so often multi-way that I would rather save a bit pretty and build pot on favorable flops postflop.
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Old 11-19-2018, 01:46 PM   #6
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

$60-70.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:38 PM   #7
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

I like 60, I dont mind higher but at higher sizes it is much more likely to be a clear value hand than a balanced range. Lower sizing is good for overall betting efficiency and postflop economy.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:42 PM   #8
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

$60 noting the yet to act BB. Do you think he will raise more often than not if you call the straddle, setting up for a re-pop by you? I much prefer raising.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:52 PM   #9
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

Alright pre flop sizing seems simple enough. Hero raises to 60, BB calls, straddle calls and V2 calls.

Flop (250) 973sss Hero?
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:41 PM   #10
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Open fold? Everything else is a **** sandwhich.

Bet/fold $110. Or check/eval. Hate Everything about this hand. Just trying to survive
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:06 PM   #11
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

There seems to be a consensus on the raise pre, but I went with the lower end, so on to the flop:

UTG (~$600) straddles $10, V2 limps, MP limps, folds to hero.

Hero makes it $60

V1 flats, UTG folds, V2 flats, MP folds.

Flop (~$193): KsQs7d (wait, you were slightly off)

Hero?
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:08 PM   #12
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Check/fold next hand
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:21 PM   #13
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

I presume hero knows what to do here?
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:36 PM   #14
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

PF is fine. Seems like a very standard c/f OTF.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:37 PM   #15
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I presume hero knows what to do here?
Moot, but I know what I did and I thought it was the right thing at the time.

Hands aren't posted here because Hero doesn't know what to do, although sometimes that is the case; they are posted to get other opinions. If we all played the same way, there wouldn't be a 2+2.

Reasons for actions would be nice, and I'll give mine when the time comes.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:39 PM   #16
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There seems to be a consensus on the raise pre, but I went with the lower end, so on to the flop:

UTG (~$600) straddles $10, V2 limps, MP limps, folds to hero.

Hero makes it $60

V1 flats, UTG folds, V2 flats, MP folds.

Flop (~$193): KsQs7d (wait, you were slightly off)

Hero?
Checks obviously.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:43 PM   #17
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

I will admit the turn and river are most interesting, but we need to get there
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:59 PM   #18
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

BD2NFD/BDSD/Set Draw is slightly interesting but your equity versus ranges continuing facing a bet is garbage so x and see what develops.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:33 PM   #19
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

Bet bet bet
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:00 PM   #20
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Bet bet bet
From the looks of it, you are someone I just need to block. Totally useless so far.

Give reasons, please, although I doubt you have them.
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:07 PM   #21
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From the looks of it, you are someone I just need to block. Totally useless so far.

Give reasons, please, although I doubt you have them.
Of his 503 posts, about 3 of them have any value whatsoever
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:17 PM   #22
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Of his 503 posts, about 3 of them have any value whatsoever
I need a receipt on those 3 comments. Or it didn't happen.
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:42 PM   #24
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Check and plan to fold to 90% of bets. We are going to be able to continue on 70% of flops with JJ. This isn't one of them. Barreling multiple streets into 2 people rarely works. (I have proven this about 500,000 times)
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:37 PM   #25
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Re: PAHWM: 1/2 JJ in SB w/ straddle

Wow you guys are posting geniuses. Check/fold we have an underpair sick answer. Gold starrs all around.

We're an old woman in the sb that raised pre and got a high flop. Our range advantage is huge over 2 dolty limp callers who's ranges cant hold up to barrels and most likely can't have anything stronger than one pair based on limp calling pre (AK KK QQ) heavily discounted.

Keep check/folding just cause you didn't flop a set or over pair.
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