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04-17-2017 , 10:35 AM
Maryland Live Casino and the game is a live one. In general the table overvalues top pair hands – have seen 6 players at the table bet hard when they flop top pair week kicker and get called by even weaker kickers. I have never seen so much value in AK as I am on this table. About 3 hours into session, 6 in the afternoon.

Hero 34 Year old White Guy: (600) probably seen as a strong TAG by table but I am not sure if many are paying attention. Have won a few smaller pots with no show down and then won a $400 dollar pot when I called a check/over shove on a KQQ w/ spade draw board. I was holding AA and held up against 75 of spades. Only other hand shown down was a missed straight/flush draw with 45 suited about an hour ago. V

Villain (500) 60ish Asian Man who is here to gamboozle. Started session by raising most pots pre and pushed table around quite a bit. He loves to draw and hit a couple early giving him his big stack. I looked him when he bet an A river ($20 bet into an $8 dollar pot) which ruined his winning image somewhat as the rest of the table no longer fears his raises. He has slowed him down a bunch with the raises but still limping 50% of hands.

The Hand:
4 or 5 limps to hero in the cut off. I decided to limp along with K9 clubs (fold pre?) Villain on the button limps as do the blinds which is what I expected. Let’s call it 8 to the flop:

Flop ($14ish after rake)

KA9 w/ 2 spades

3 checks to MP player who makes it 12. Folds to hero.
(5 others in the hand, 3 checks, one bet to 12, 2 folds, action on HERO, and villain is behind me on the button)

Hero??
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04-17-2017 , 10:43 AM
Some reads and stack size on MP raiser would be helpful.

I raise here. If we flat we can start a chain reaction and see a turn 4 or 5 ways, and there are a ton of bad cards for us on the turn. We hate seeing any spade or Ace. Any Q-T can give some with a GS Broadway, and if you call people start getting good odds to call for a nutted GS. Anyone with Ax will also start getting odds to call to hit a better two pair than us.

I don't think this needs to be a big raise, just enough to make people pay for their 4 out draws (GS) or 5 out draws (Ax). I make it $30. Want the initial raiser to call so we go head's up in position to the turn.
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04-17-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Some reads and stack size on MP raiser would be helpful.

I raise here. If we flat we can start a chain reaction and see a turn 4 or 5 ways, and there are a ton of bad cards for us on the turn. We hate seeing any spade or Ace. Any Q-T can give some with a GS Broadway, and if you call people start getting good odds to call for a nutted GS. Anyone with Ax will also start getting odds to call to hit a better two pair than us.

I don't think this needs to be a big raise, just enough to make people pay for their 4 out draws (GS) or 5 out draws (Ax). I make it $30. Want the initial raiser to call so we go head's up in position to the turn.
MP player is loose/bad Mexican dude who has only been at the table 30 min or so. He as 140ish in front - has dusted off from his initial 200 BI. Likes to call flop bets and then fold to further aggression. Have seen him open up zero pots pre, this might be the first time he is betting flop, I dont recall TBH.
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04-17-2017 , 12:15 PM
lol folding pre, no way. If I whispered to you the worst hand I'd limp in this spot the color would drain from your face.

Raise flop to like $36. Trivial so far.
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04-17-2017 , 01:28 PM
$30. Fold if 3bet.
$45 on the turn, and shove river.

But probably slowing down on A, Q, J, T turns/river.
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04-17-2017 , 01:41 PM
I raise pre.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
$30. Fold if 3bet.
$45 on the turn, and shove river.

But probably slowing down on A, Q, J, T turns/river.
As played, I'm on board with this line.
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04-17-2017 , 10:37 PM
Hero Raises to 25 -thought was I would likely see everyone fold except the MP player and I want to keep him in one more street. Seems like consensus was to to bet larger. Anyway:

Hero Bets $25, Villain calls on the button, folds to MP player who, to my surprise, folds.

Turn - off suit Jack. Board is KA9J w/ two spades. Pot is about $75

Hero?

Last edited by SillyRabbit; 04-17-2017 at 10:39 PM. Reason: Put in more details like pot size.
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04-17-2017 , 11:47 PM
Bet 50.
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04-18-2017 , 12:24 AM
Ok seems like some people are bored of this so here is turn action:

Spoiler:
Hero bets 52. Villain hems and haws for like 2 min, and calls.
River: 7 clubs
Pot is like $180, board is KA9J7, no flush.
Hero?
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04-18-2017 , 02:17 AM
Bet halfpot. Cant check to induce after he tanked that long.

If he raises, turbofold.
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04-18-2017 , 08:26 AM
Hand seems fine to me so far, you could go slightly bigger flop and turn, but overall I like it.

On the river, there aren't many hands to get value from, so I would bet slightly less than half pot - something like $75 or $80 hoping to get a crying call from AQ, AT, A8, A5, etc.

The villain could have also backdoored a lower 2 pair if he had spades on the flop. (btw, what were the spades on the flop?)
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04-18-2017 , 09:36 PM
I dont recall the spades on the flop but I want to say it was the K9 of spades just because I feel like I would remember if the ace was there. Anyway thanks for the replies so far, below is where I think things finally get interesting:

Spoiler:
Hero decides to check with the intention of calling a bet as I dont see villain calling with worse and I think he can find a bluff with a missed flush draw. Hero hesitates and checks and villain pretty quickly and confidently fires $150 bet into the pot of about $180. Hero?
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04-19-2017 , 12:53 AM
Don't like the check as he can just call you down with an ace. The long tank on the turn means that if he has a FD it must be a bad one with no other draws, and I think he gives up with that a lot anyways.

I'd fold now. He has T8 probably, or A7 maybe, or might have flatted QT OTT trapping. I doubt he has worse two pairs, sizing is too large. I continue to think a missed FD is unlikely, but it does depend on what you mean by "pushed the table around". Liking draws and betting $20 into $8 pots is one thing, but has he made big river bets like this before when checked to? Without evidence that he does that specifically (as opposed to "he's loose") I'm going to assume he's a loose splashy guy who tries to get paid off when he makes hands, as opposed to a full bore aggrotard.
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04-19-2017 , 05:56 AM
Usually best to let a PAHWM play out and allow about 1 day to get a bunch of responses on each street.
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04-20-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Usually best to let a PAHWM play out and allow about 1 day to get a bunch of responses on each street.
*Bump

Yeah, well, apparently this was not a good PAHWM to post as I got very few replies so I was trying to get to later streets before the few respondents I did have lost interest.
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08-24-2017 , 12:16 AM
I never posted results?!?!?!? Yeah, I called, villan shows 10s8s. Just couldn't fold for some stupid reason. Maybe that $20 call I made earlier ruined my thinking.
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08-24-2017 , 06:42 AM
Yeah, thats a bad beat, looks like you played it right. You couldve maybe bet a but more on turn, and I think this villan probably betting all his busted flushes on river so you gotta call.
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