This hand takes place in a local game with regular players.

Hero is viewed as TAG. Typically plays fairly TAG straight forward game as that seems to be the most profitable angle in this particular game which has multiple loose, splashy players in the game. (900)

V1 - UTG + 2 Losing LAG reg. In my experience he has some drastic sizing tells in that he bets large / jams as bluffs and semi bluffs and makes much smaller sized bets for value. When he gets deep he starts playing a super wide range and usually does so aggressively. (600).

V2 - CO -Losing loose passive - not super significant to the hand. (400).

OTTH

V1 opens to 11, V2 calls and hero calls from bb closing action with 68hh. My thinking is that as deep as we are that this is playable. Both players tend to call three bets fairly wide, so I decided that was a poor option. I think suited one gappers are okay to flat with as deep as we are here.

Obviously I don't fold or this would not be a PAHWM, but I guess I will leave it open for a bit before posting flop. I promise it gets a bit more interesting.

Oop I am fine with flat. In position I am 3 betting this all day for the dead money, because we are plenty deep to play postflop.

Never folding

even though we're closing the action, there's only two players in the pot besides us. Maybe if there are more callers, I might call depending on the table but not 2.
I'm not 3betting this either, even in position against an early opener. Any FD sucks OOP especially a small one.

Flatting is OK if you are careful post. I agree not to 3!.

In any case.

Flop (34) 7h4h2, hero?

I don't think donking accomplishes much against players like this unless they will not re-raise without a set or maybe nut flush draw. I check and then probably call a reasonable bet.

check flop

I am not saying I would have folded this hand, but I agree with the comment upthread that we need to be careful postflop. The way V1 is described, he's going to be aggressive with made hands against which a heart or 5 helps us, and he's also going to be aggressive with dominating flush draws. Being out of position against a range like this can be sort of a problem.

I think I'm starting by checking. We probably will have relative position if there's a bet on the flop; let's use it.

Hero checks, V1 bets 13 and V2 calls.

This is on the small side for V1 which sort of skews him to actually having a piece of this board. Based on my history with him, I think he is probably betting his air on the larger side here, although I guess I could be wrong. V2 peels super wide and typically won't take a passive line with flopped sets against V1, particularly on a board as wet as this.

In light of that, hero?

I don't love playing a small one-gapper oop against the V1 you describe, but we're deep enough to justify a call. I'm not 3-betting oop, for the same reason you gave.

I'm calling, but will be prepared to check/call or check/fold most flops where I end up with only one pair. (Depends on board texture and reads, obv.)

Making 8 high flushes has pretty crappy rio so you don't really want to play a huge pot.

Preflop is probably fine either way assuming you're not going to rio own yourself with all flushes.

3 way I'm in favor of leading the flop. As played check call seems best

(just catching up with the action now)

I check-call here. No reason yet to expect our flush outs to be no good, and a 5 can easily let us stack someone who makes a smaller straight. We've got an implied odds hand, so let's keep those implied odds high.

Call that small flop bet and bink a 5.

Because we were so deep and because villain has a propensity to make big calls with medium strength hands I decided to check raise here. The more I think about it, I really put myself in a ton of tough spots where I have to barrel off a ton doing this, so it might be a mistake against this guy. Again, I am doing this assuming that V2 has overcards, bottom pair etc. that is not calling a check raise.

The check raise was on the small side - to 35 total - but my thinking was that I have all the sets in my range here, villain knows that, and I get him off some of his whiffed overcards, which although I am discounting based on sizing, he should have in his range sometimes.

V1 makes it 75 total. Hero?

Yuck. Looks like he's trying to get value. I might be done with the hand, although I can see a call, but I don't like it much. Not raising again, because I'm not getting it in here.

You have direct odds to call a bet. It's hard for him to put money in the pot worse when you have 8 hi. The nfd is a much better cr than the 8 hi one.

As played cr sizing is awful. It accomplishes nothing. Just making the pot bigger for no reason.

His sizing is awful too. He gives you direct odds to draw, so call. You likely have 0 fe so jamming appears spwey

I don't mind the c/r, we have so much equity on this flop and taking it down with 8 high is a great result.

As played, I'm calling. V's line reeks of a made hand (he probably raises big with AKhh type hands), so I don't think we need to worry about bigger draws.

If we bink the turn, I lead out.

NOTE - I actually just looked back through my notes because I was wondering about c/r sizing myself. He actually bet 5 bucks on the flop which I realize totally changes the whole analysis (maybe). Sorry, was operating from memory and asking myself why it was sized that way.

Probably changes entire analysis.

My bad.

EDIT - sizing on the rest of the hand (c/r and 3! remains accurate)

Anyways, hero flats the extra 40.

Turn Kh. Hero?

I don't like the c/r, particularly such a small one, because it basically commits you to three-barreling a ton of dry runouts.

As played, I agree that we call the 3!.

Now, I think we have to lead for $100. His range is mostly 2pair and sets. The tiny flop bet + small flop 3! from him is very unlikely to be Axhh.

Did you think you had fold equity?
What is V2 calling range?
Are you raising for value?
Planning on barreling bad turns?

Did you contemplate flatting?

Most importantly, why did you think raising is more +EV than flatting?

Yeah. I agree that the c/r makes the hand play super awkward. I think in the moment his super small sizing made me think I had fold equity in a check raise, and taking it down with 8 high without having to improve is obviously a great result.

Although my hand should have a good amount of equity, I wouldn't really call this a "value raise." Had he just flatted, I planned on barreling any 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, T or heart. His three bet sort of froze me though and I was a bit lost in the hand.

In short, I think his sizing, which I had not seen him do this before, made me think I had some FE and based on my image that I would have a good chance of getting a fold on the turn if called. There is also the fact that we have 580ish behind and I have a hard time seeing how I win a big pot by flatting unless he has exactly A3/36 and a 5 comes (or a bigger f/d and the 5h comes).

Hero checks turn, V bets 50, hero?

You blew flop. In game I probably blow it too.

Flop is obviously super EV call.

Good check on turn. Now flat turn. Don't want to play for stacks. If we check raise we have to fold to raise.

By checking, we allow aggro to bluff and value bet worse. Very unlikely he is 3 betting flop. Checking turn.

Never raising. As we are only getting value from sets. My plan would be to call turn, bet non paired rivers, non hearts.

Just about the entire idea of a "Play A Hand With Me" post is that we are trying to get a lot of people to weigh in on a hand that has multiple streets of interesting spots. There are a lot of people here who would do different things in different spots, so give them a chance to respond.

When you move from pre to flop to turn in 5 hours or less this pretty much ruins the idea. We normally wait at least 24 hours at every decision the Hero has to make.

Next time you want to post one, I would try to wait longer.

As played, I'd flat the turn and be annoyed that I'm OOP, deep stacked to a loose possibly tricky player, and plan to donk most non heart rivers.

IRTM: point taken. got caught up in hand discussion. will be more patient going forward.

as to the hand, hero flats 50 on turn. river off suit ten. hero checks and villian bets 90.

does anyone do anything but call as played?